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NetBeans Developer 2.1.2 and DeveloperX2 2.1.2? (Mac OS 9)

Hi, y'all! Sorry to be a poster whose near-first appearance is a request (I'm uploading something in return already, don't worry), but I have been curious about Java development for Mac OS 9.2.2 specifically, and despite being aware of a few tools, I have been curious about earlier versions of an IDE that most Java developers came to know and love as time passed: NetBeans.

I was curious about finding the latest NetBeans available for Mac OS 9, and then I found this in the archived version of their website hosting the original downloads:
https://web.archive.org/web/20000302180917/http://www.netbeans.com:80/pr...
Since that program is a 100% Java program, it is compatible with any platform that runs the required JVM and has the correct JDK. Namely:
- NetBeans Developer 2.1.2, requires JDK 1.1;
- NetBeans DeveloperX2 2.1.2, requires JDK 1.2;

As expected, both download links are dead, and it seems any later version of NetBeans may not be compatible with Mac OS 9 at all. (Unless, perhaps, one of the earliest Sun versions were compatible, but nothing other than the source code for 3.0 and up survived, among the ones that stand a chance of having any OS 9 compatibility, if any.)

By the way, if we look into the latest MRJ version and SDK available, 2.2.5 and 2.2 respectively, NetBeans Developer 2.1.2 should work fine, but not NetBeans DeveloperX2 2.1.2, as the latest OS 9 JDK implements Java JDK 1.1.8, and not JDK 1.2, according to Apple's now-archived website. However, an Italian website I found states NetBeans DeveloperX2 2.1.2 to still be compatible with OS 9:
http://users.libero.it/silvus/javadisc.html#Netbeans

TL;DR: Does anyone have lying around any copy of NetBeans Developer 2.1.2 or NetBeans DeveloperX2 2.1.2 lying around for Mac OS 9 use? It'd be most appreciated, although I guess the chances of that being found are slim... Sad

Little edit: Here's what I uploaded. Smile http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/maccubed%C2%B3-software-collection-cds

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Weird; the only places Google finds that are in this thread. I'll see if I can find them in an offline location and check back. [edit] Sorry; checked my offline archives and they're not there Sad

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Aw, that's a pity, but it's alright. Well, actually, it seems that program may survive in the CD that comes bundled with some Java books, so the only way to get the program now is to get the books, used, from a reseller, and pray the reseller still has the CD, and in working condition. Kinda silly to buy the whole book and CD, when what you really want is free, gratis software that simply died out, but happens to be cointaned in these CDs, and they are out there...

But even then, the CDs are bound to have slightly older versions than the exact ones I listed, or versions that may just be too new for Mac OS 9.
Java, How to Program, 3rd Edition: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0130125075
Java, How to Program, 4th Edition: https://www.amazon.com/Java-How-Program-Harvey-Deitel/dp/0130341517
Any earlier or later than those editions would likely mean the program versions could be even older (if even existent) or just too new for Mac OS 9.

I tried buying those just the other day just for that program, but for reasons unknown, my order got cancelled, and most sellers won't ship to my place. The current buying options that WILL ship to me, though, are asking for outrageous shipping prices that my original purchase last time didn't... so I gave up on it. But it remains on the back of my mind.

Edit: And oh, for the record, I mentioned the latest version of MRJ was 2.2.5, but it's actually 2.2.6. Originally, I think that came shipped with Mac OS 9.2.2 CDs? Not sure, but it's packed up with corresponding Apple documentation. Though 2.2.6 is barely at all different compared to 2.2.5, and Apple suggests installing it only if some very specific feature was desired to be used (as opposed to using 2.2.5 over any earlier version, since it contains major bug fixes and I think also a bunch of new features).

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Revisiting this now. I'm buying the 3rd and 4th editions of that Java book and crossing my fingers in the hopes they come with the CDs.

Even if they do, likely they won't have exactly the NetBeans Developer 2.1.2 and NetBeans DeveloperX2 2.1.2 versions included. The 3rd edition book says on the cover it includes "DeveloperX2 2.1", if nothing else.

Of course, if I get them, and anything is Mac-compatible, it goes without saying I'll put them up here.

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Exciting news!
I've been trying to get my hands on books with software as well, so far only Windows software and broken discs have turned up that way... but the books themselves are top notch Smile

Crossing my fingers for these items to turn up Smile

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The 3rd edition book came in today. Disappointingly but not surprisingly, it came without the CD. Very upsetting. Hopefully the 4th edition book will come with it.

Peeking around the book's pages, I see dozens of website URL suggestions as Java reference sites. (This is from back when Java 2 was current.)

I plan to at least write down every site I see mentioned by hand and put them here, so we can dig through them all with Wayback Machine, and see what we can find.

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Ah, what a shame :/

A splendid idea, I will do the same, there are quite a lot of references written down here and there, much to my surprise there are even sites by users hosted at those free options from way back.

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When informing the seller the order came incomplete without the CD even though there was no such warning anywhere that this could be the case, I got fully refunded for it (without even asking). I thought I would have to ship the book back, but no further action was asked of me.

And so, here's a bunch of links I manually typed in that I found in the book. There should be more, but I'll have to do that slowly over time, if there are more unique links not yet listed below:

http://www.prenhall.com/deitel
http://www.prenhall.com/
http://www.deitel.com/
http://www.sun.com/
http://www.artima.com/
http://www.javaworld.com/
http://www.intelligence.com/
http://www.infoworld.com/
http://www.internetweek.com/
http://www.zdnet.com/
http://www.enete.com/
http://www.webtools.com/
http://www.devdaily.com/
http://www.gamelan.com/
http://www.www.w3com.com/
http://www.jinivision.com/
http://www.jini.org/
http://www.techweb.com/
http://www.ncworldmag.com/
http://www.slip.net/~scaruffi/computer/sun3.html
http://www.javareport.com/
http://www.javadevelopersjournal.com/
http://www.java-pro.com/
http://www.javalobby.org/
http://www.technetcast.com/
http://www.openmaster.com/
http://www.javabeans-zone.com/
http://www.dnai.com/~cityjava/sfjughom.htm
http://www.developer.com/

http://www.oracle.com/java/
"Oracle Corporation has recently included Enterprise JavaBeans in its Oracle8I software. This will allow users to write programs and deploy them across other oracle platforms."

http://www.weblogic.com/
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/SG245192/redpage.htm
http://www.execpc.com/~gopalan/

http://java.sun.com/
http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/install-solaris-patches.html
http://java.sun.com/products/ejb/faq.html
http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/jre/LICENSE
http://developer.java.sun.com/
http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Communications_and_Networkin...
http://javaboutique.internet.com/
http://wwwwswest2.sun.com/
http://java.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa061498.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~richkatz/
http://careers.computerworld.com/home/features.nsf/all/981026ejblinks
http://developer.netscape.com/viewsource/index_frame.html?content=fields...
http://ejbhome.iona.com/

I left a quote in there with the Oracle link, just because. It was that link's description given by the book.

The base links are ideal for file-crawling, but sometimes specific pages within them may contain other useful information, like even more links, or anything else, and sometimes a user domain is registered within another domain (GeoCities style), so that's why I repeat some of the domains with different URLs, or why I sometimes list more than just the base domain.

The 4th edition book has yet to arrive.

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Some things we can try looking into pop up when we go here, organize it by date (ascending order) and filter it first with ".zip", then with ".tar", for testing against Mac OS compatibility / relevance (OS 9 and earlier).

I also just discovered archive.org has a search limit thanks to this: 100000 URLs maximum in that search table. This means the zip files you find with my link above (www.netbeans.org/download/) don't show up at all when using "www.netbeans.org/" instead, even though it should. Good to know.

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For a second, I just thought NetBeans Developer(X2) 2.1.2 wasn't the latest version, as I saw mention of "Developer X2.2.1" here (note the "X2" is joined with the version number and separated from "Developer"). However, based on dates, and the word joining, that page is near-certainly trying to refer to DeveloperX2 2.1.0 instead.

Just leaving that info here in case anyone else ever comes across this and gets puzzled, too.

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4th Edition book arrived. And this one actually came with the CD. But... no Mac goodies, unlike what should be in the 3rd Edition CD. The 3rd edition book actually mentions what Mac PPC hardware the included tools are compatible with, but in the 4th edition, it's purely Windows stuff, with some GNU/Linux (Intel) stuff.

Nonetheless, because we are talking about a rare find, I uploaded it to the Internet Archive for history preservation. https://archive.org/details/java_htp-4e

If anyone wants to fiddle with this and see if anything Mac-compatible can be obtained from this, be my guest. There's some version of Forte for Java Community Edition there, and some other things, but not much, it seems. The 4th edition book offers a few more links I can list here for crawling. I may put them up here later, like I did with the 3rd edition.

Well, time to retry hunting the elusive 3rd edition book CD. But now we know for sure: the CD from that edition is THE one we want. 4th edition is now ruled out.

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Found a couple of interesting bits and bobs while diving around on some archived sites. Unfortunately not all archived sites has the delicious candy for download :/

Used this one as the origin
https://web.archive.org/web/19991010012038/http://www.jamesoutlaw.com/ja...

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That's an awesome page to crawl. Particularly loved this section within it: https://web.archive.org/web/19991009224055/http://www.jamesoutlaw.com/ja...
This leads us to learning about even more Java tools of the time. More candy to hunt for!

Also, I'm placing another order on that 3rd Edition book. And if need be, another. And another. I will not rest until its CD is obtained and archived here.

Excess books will be donated to the local library. Smile