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Mac Server G4 "Quicksilver" - Can it run the Mac OS X Public Beta?

Hi,

The title pretty much says what I want to ask, but I'll expand on it a little bit.

I have a Mac Server G4/933 "Quicksilver". I got Mac OS X 10.0.3 running on it awhile back, but decided to erase it in favor of Mac OS X Server 10.3.4. I tried booting it up from an OS X Public Beta CD (which I made from one of the images on this site), but after a little while, it gave me a "Data access" kernel panic. I tried again and again, trying different things to fix the problem - same result every time. I even removed the extra RAM that I had installed, to no avail. So, can someone tell me if this model can even run the Public Beta? If not, I'll try to find another machine that will.

Thanks for reading.

-os9er

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It was never designed to...that model if it 933 MHz would have been a QuickSilver 2002 and would have shipped originally with OS X Server 10.1 or if it came from the education circuit, it could have shipped with Mac OS 9.2.2/ASIP 6.3.3v1.3

I'm not surprised it can run 10.0.3 though. An original QuickSilver shipped with 10.0.4 originally but the 10.0.3 retail media worked on it (good luck with your network connection though). Unless you are doing it "because you can", I would not attempt to run this unit with anything older than 10.1 though.

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I thought the 2002 QSes were only shipped in 800Mhz (single cpu) and 1.1GHz (dual cpu) configurations. 10.1.x was indeed the minimum OSX supported. A 933MHz version sounds like the high end 2001 QS to me.

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All the specs can be found on this link :

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/specs/macserver_g4_9...

And for comparisons, you have :

http://www.apple-history.com/compare/g4_quicksilver/g4_quick_2002

So, there is a Mac Server G4 @ 933 Mhz QS 2002 with Mac OS X Server 10.1 !!!

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Yep, that's the machine I have. Thank you all for your replies; I guess I'll just have to find and possibly purchase another machine to run it on.

Also, would there be any way I could upload Mac OS X Server 10.3.4? It requires a software serial number, which is the main reason why I'm asking.

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I'm afraid u need to buy it. Of course, Apple never sell it anymore, but u can find it on eBay or Amazon for example. It's expensive however, but I found this :

http://www.bookyard.it/product.php?cPath=34_48_156&products_id=4191

I don't know what's going on up there but the price is interesting against others... Indeed, u need a valid serial number, but typically, it's given with the system software u buy.

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I guess I didn't explain it very well. I already have a copy of Server 10.3.4; I was wondering if it could be uploaded in disk image form to this site. I have the serial number; I just don't know if Mac Garden allows uploads of software items produced by Apple that require one.

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Well, I misread your post. Sorry... I don't know if it looks like abandoned software. You can ask an admin like MikeTomTom or fogWraith if you can upload it. I will be interested by the answer & also including Tiger & Leopard Server...

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It's allright to upload, as well as Leopard and Tiger Server Smile

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Ok. It's good to know...

@os9er

Most of the time, a machine is produced & is shipped with the current (retail) version of the system & cannot run a prior version, except server versions. For Mac OS X Server 10.0.x to 10.1.2, you can refer to this page :

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA28250

Your Mac Server may support at least Mac OS X Server 10.1.2 and up to version 10.5.8, latest supported.

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@Knez: Thanks for letting me know that Server 10.3.4 Retail is OK to upload. I already made .dmg images of the two "system install" CDs which I wanted to upload.

I'll have to do that later though, because even with the latest version of Classilla on my iBook G3/700, I can't upload more than 1 item at a time. If I try to upload 2 or more items at the same time (by choosing them from the "Open" dialog sequentially), it wants to re-load the webpage to upload the 2nd item, which wipes out all the data I entered. I can't install TenFourFox, of course, because the iBook is running (and can only run up to) 10.3.9. I also haven't seen any other browser that can load "modern" web pages, and that will run on 10.3.9 or below. I could, however, upload them via the aforementioned Mac Server G4 (which now has both OS X 10.4.11 and TenFourFox on it). I'll try that tomorrow.

Thanks @MacTouch and @blackholemac for your help on these subjects as well.

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@os9er: I've found that for uploading files to the MG, uploading items 1 at a time, sequentially, is the safest way to proceed. This is for any browser running on any OS. i.e.; Upload item 1 (wait for it to complete, upload item 2 (wait for it to complete) etc, etc,... it saves time and misfortune in the long run...

If you're running Classilla under OS X 10.3.9, I suggest that you also give an earlier version of SeaMonkey a try, as at version 1.1.19 (the final version to run on 10.2x - 10.3x), it's more suited to recent websites than Classilla.

The newest and earlier versions of SeaMonkey can be accessed from here.

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@MikeTomTom: I already have 4 or 5 different browsers on the iBook including Classilla, but I'll try SeaMonkey anyway. (I keep forgetting to delete or un-install some of them.) Thanks for the suggestion! If it works, you'll probably see a DL page come up in the "Operating Systems" category with the name "Mac OS X Server 10.3.4 Retail".

EDIT: That version of SeaMonkey doesn't work on my system at all. When I try to launch it, it doesn't come up with a "navigator" window or all the menus that should be there - just the "SeaMonkey" menu in the menu bar, and that menu doesn't even have all the items in it that it should (for example, the "About This Application" option is missing). Any other suggestions and/or solutions would be greatly appreciated.

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Ah sorry about that. It's ReadMe.txt claims 10.2x - 10.3x compatibility, I don't have a G3 running 10.x anything at the moment to test either. Tho' I do have PearPC (emulator) running Panther, emulating a G3 - SeaMonkey 1.1.19 runs OK on that, so I guess it should work on your actual G3.

You could try earlier versions, but don't fluff around too much on it. You could just as likely use whatever version of Safari or Cameo runs on Panther and get those to do what you intend OK. Just try uploading 1 file at a time and see how it travels.

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Just a quick update on what I've been trying to do.

None of the browsers I have on the iBook work for uploading anything. With some of them - for example, Safari - when I hit the "upload" button, the application freezes up completely, and in most cases eventually crashes, with part of the error report reading "KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE". I don't know what that means, and to be honest, I'm getting tired of trying to diagnose it with what limited skill I have. So, I'm going to copy the disk images from the iBook to the Mac Server, and try uploading them from that using TenFourFox. Thanks everyone for your help, but I'm not getting anywhere trying to upload them from the iBook itself.

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Its the line before the message "KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE" that may give the clue, for example: EXC_BAD_ACCESS

It sounds as tho' there is a problem with your G3 iBook regardless of what browser you are using and it may need repair or a system restore.

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@MikeTomTom: Yeah, now that I think about it, that line (EXC_BAD_ACCESS) is exactly what it came up with in the error report. (I forgot about that particular detail, sorry. Otherwise I would have mentioned it before.) The thing is, though, I erased the HD and re-installed the system awhile ago, and as far as I can recall, it was giving me that same error (at least occasionally) even before the re-installation. If that was the case (and I'm pretty sure it was), I don't know what's going on - could it be a bug with the system that wasn't resolved before Apple debuted Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger?

Also, I'm using a D-Link USB Wireless-G card with both the iBook and the Mac Server. On the iBook, about half the time, when I unplug the card from the USB port, it seems fine for about 2 seconds, but then it throws a kernel panic. The exact error it gives is an unknown, though, because I don't normally have it booted into verbose mode at the time it happens - indeed, I don't usually boot it verbosely at all. I'll try to boot it into verbose mode at some point to attempt to ascertain what the error is.

My apologies as well for getting so far away from the original topic of this thread.

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From what I've read, EXC_BAD_ACCESS/KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE is a process thread attempting to write to read-only memory (ref: c|net page), which goes on to say, look for the faulty thread in the CrashReporter log which will follow the exception, usually beginning with something like "Thread Crashed: ...." being the point of crash & the next few lines, the process leading up to the crash. Anyway, this might help track down the culprit.

It may lead to the D-Link being the weakest link. Have you also run the Apple Hardware Test on this iBook?

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@MikeTomTom: Unfortunately, I do not have any of the original CDs for the iBook. One of my neighbors does have a complete set of CDs for a white G3 iBook he used to own, including the Apple Hardware Test; however, I haven't ever had cause to try that set of discs with my machine. I'll have to borrow the discs and try booting my machine from the Apple Hardware Test CD to verify whether or not it's the correct version; if it works, I'll get back to you with the results of the test. Until I can try that CD, I'll just see if I can diagnose the problem by reading and interpreting those few lines you mentioned.