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Clamshell's picture
Joined: 2016 Jul 15
Mac scene?

In the Amiga times there was an epic scene subculture, I've never seen a demo scene like 'State of the Art' in a Mac :-\


fogWraith's picture
Joined: 2009 Oct 23

Afford to live, pay bills, bring food to the table... or buy a Mac Wink

Ah, but it existed / exists, though I don't think it has ever been that big... or I never got to be elite enough to be a part of that particular scene / top secret society. holds a library of fancy demos and what not, if you haven't already checked that out.

Knez's picture
Joined: 2010 Feb 11

You never really could write directly against the hardware on a Mac, compared to an Amiga or an Atari.
To add to this, during the early 90's Apple had a shitload of machine in their portfolio, most of them quite different beasts hardware-wise. Some of the 68k Mac's for instance where as different and far appart hardware-wise as an Amiga 500 and an Atari Falcon. Pretty much only having the 68k processor in common.

I think this is parts of the answer behind of the nonexistent Mac demo scene.

SkyCapt's picture
Joined: 2017 Jan 11

I heard it said "Apple never wrote games", seems true enough. The most gaming to come out of Apple was like Chess and "Secret About Box". Atari on the other hand, after they were bought out by Warner Bros, Atari published games the same way Warner music published record albums.

Amiga had a ton of novel custom hardware for graphics, the best in its day for making 33-MHz hardware do things others could not. But after processor and bus speeds shot up through the roof, the Amiga architecture becomes unnecessary and annoying to navigate.

In the 1990s, the cutting-edge Demo scene on Atari and Amiga shifted to Eastern Europe. After the Berlin Wall came down, Poland and Czech and East German markets were flooded with low cost Atari 800XL and wow do those guys invest hard work in their demo scene.

WhosIt.There's picture
Joined: 2014 Aug 23

Some of the old Mac serial number apps and generators have got demo-like qualities. Buck's Serial Number Generator had some nice music and I remember another one which bouncing balls and rather horrible musak.

One of the problems was of course the price of the Mac. The Amiga, Atari, Commodore 64, etc. were simply a lot cheaper, so more hobby-programmers had them at home to tinker around with.

SkyCapt's picture
Joined: 2017 Jan 11

Apple did copyright "Gerbils!" Smile

The Macintosh cost more than some cars. When I bought my MDD2003 for $1299 it was "the lowest price ever" for a Macintosh at that time. And 1299 was for the base station tower only. No display, low RAM. Of course I knew a complete system would exceed $2G. This was before the 1st "mini". In contrast, Mactracker says the 1990 model "Mac ][fx" cost $10G - $12G

bertyboy's picture
Joined: 2009 Jun 14

Cost Smile
In the day, the Atari, which could plug into your TV was about £400.
My IIci was just over £3000 with the massive educational discount, plus another £600 for the Apple (Sony Trinitron) 13" display, plus another £235 for the (extended) keyboard. At least it came with a 40MB disk.
Different customer base.

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Joined: 2017 Jan 11

uDevGames 2003 and 2004