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Try it precisely as I wrote it. PPC Firmware+OS X Tiger defends itself around unauthorized boot this way. If you (use Disk Utility to) restore and then reboot without choosing Startup Disk first, it won't boot AND won't show in Multiboot. Then if you actually do "Startup Disk" after restore, but don't reboot *into Multiboot* right away, it still won't boot and won't appear in the Multiboot. After restoring anything (including AHT/ASD/OS X all versions) I must choose "Startup Disk" AND reboot into firmware's Multiboot in this "handshake" fashion, or else the restore gets hosed and the restore action must be repeated. Try erasing the partition in Disk Utility before restoring, I always do and maybe that's required too.

Really, try an OS X Install Disc. If it lets you choose a FW partition then it should install all the way.

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Agreed. Smile
I´ll rather go through the Apple quest than making the same mistake over and over.
Still weird that the 160GB Maxtor FW drive does just work where WD MyBook fails.

Edit:
No dice. The shit controller from WD is the culprit.
discuusions.apple.com did sum it up like this in 2008:

The electronics of several models (but not all) of the MyBook external drives that support FireWire are seen by the computer as two devices on the FireWire chain. The first device number, called SCSI Logical Unit Number 0, is used by the drive case (probably to provide unique features like the capacity gauge found on these drives). The hard drive inside the case is SCSI LUN 1. Unfortunately, PowerPC based Macs will only search for SCSI LUN 0 devices during the boot sequence (as this has traditionally been the Logical Unit Number of a boot drive). So if you have a PowerPC based Mac and you need the ability to boot from FireWire you would be better off buying a case that has a simple FireWire to ATA bridge (i.e. presents itself as only one device). Note that not all chipsets are the same. The Oxford 911/922 chipsets have always been the best supported on the Macs. If you are looking to buy an external drive/case it is worthwhile finding out what chipset it uses. LaCie external drives have good Mac support, although there are many other cheap cases available (e.g. Sarotech).

Intel based macs will boot fine from a MyBook Studio as long as you partition the drive using the GUID partition scheme. The GUID partition scheme can be selected using the Options button when partitioning the drive using the Disk Utility application. WARNING: Partitioning a drive destroys all data on the drive.

Hope this helps someone looking to purchase a drive for FireWire booting.

Geoff
Gecko Computer Services
Mac + PC Support
Perth, Western Australia
www.geckocomputer.com.au

Guess I´ll find another usage for the device - or tear it apart.
Wife´s XP box is still running fine from a 1TB sATA.

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That WD external gets some pretty bad comments elsewhere in the Mac community it seems. I didn't know anything about them until after your purchase here.

It won't help your current situation, but if you come across an old Newer miniStack v2 or v3 in your travels, they really do work well with the Mac mini G4's and Intel. Newer is still selling a miniStack "Classic" which works with G4 minis still.

I purchased the v2 model new, back in 2006-7, and it's served me well ever since:

Newer Technology's miniStack v2
Newer Technology's miniStack v2

There's no problems with multiple boot partitions with this one. It has FW 400, USB 2 and pATA IDE support.

If I had waited another year I would have purchased v3 instead. The v3 model has FW 800, USB 3 and SATA support. (still may get one, one day). Newer later came out with a miniStack which included a CD/DVD - ideal for the newer Mac minis that no longer had the SuperDrive.

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I own a similar one v3 looking like this. But it's not the same brand, however. It was my save disk, now out of order. Sad Don't know if it could be repaired...

Franky

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Hello Franky. That's no good. While I appreciate mine still working, I know the one I have is a tight fit getting a hard drive in and out and some care is required here. Perhaps you accidentally pinched some cable or wires? I don't know of course. If it is an easy fix meaning a little soldering that would be good.

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Is the hard disk still accessible over USB-2?
My dead MacPower controller has two chips for FW-400 and one for USB seemingly.
The USB thing is still working, as is the 300GB Samsung pATA drive.

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Hello guys

Looks like almost everything is dead, so sad. Even the power supply, so I presume that was relative to usb not supporting too much peripherals... I've no time nor money for repairs. So, I could send it for free to anyone interested. This include the case (good state), electronics and the power supply in its original box (shipping costs at the charge of the buyer...). I keep the hard disk (for personal data) and the Sata ribbon cable too. I believe I could recover data from it (if possible).

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The miniStack looks like a perfect solution with superior design.
Alas they will be rare in Germany and everybody owning one will appreciate what he has.

Maybe I can find some other FW400 oldie. The 160GB device with Oxford 609E controller does boot Tiger and Leopard all right, as its using just IDE LUN_0.
If only that the built in fan would not remind me of an idling jet engine. Smile

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Another device with Oxford 609E controller did get delivered. Its a MacPower Pleiades unit with a Samsung 300GB pATA drive inside. The device was working fine for a few days, with SMART values looking perfect. Today the HDDs actuator seems to fail. The disk spins up, clicks 16 times and spins down again.
The LED is blinking one long, three short.
Any clues somebody could share?
Of course such oldies, likely 20 years old, may fail any time.

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Update to the above - USB2 adapter and hard disk are still working!
Below is the controller board the Mini knows as Oxford 609E located in the MacPower external case.
The Pleiades series was also sold as IceCube by 2005/2006, so it seems.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/814519/Macpower-And-Tytech-Icecube.htm...

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FW-400 / USB2 adapter

No parts that could be repaired, at least by me and a spare adapter board will be impossible to find.
Not the first adapter board that crapped out on my side, sadly - a new task for a Samsung 300GB pATA drive will be hard to find too today.