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I am very grateful for our Mac Garden!

I just wanted to express my gratefulness in having somewhere where it feel like 'Cheers' of the Mac Classic community. Everyone is ever-ready and helpful to tackle the smallest need.

Like when I set out to find MovieWorks, I saw that it was a brilliantly designed tool made to explore the world of multimedia before true multimedia had really become a thing, with the notable exception of Hypercard, and in a much smaller way, Quicktime Pro itself. Such a creative tool in the hands of equally-creative individuals, just like the ones who commit their time and energy here in the Garden, means more creative exploration opportunities, which is something the Mac was born for.

Once upon a time, Classic Macs were part of a realm of the high and mighty; I should know, I was the lead tech servicing these powerful machines for the powerful and influential. But it was the kids who loved playing and exploring computing that really spoke to me. Since its onset, the Mac has held a wonder with its simplicity and how truly fun they were, and still are, to work on.

What I really hope to someday do is get a pro tool like Media100, but unlocked for the rest of us. It may sound like a pipe-dream, but again, the Mac had some real teeth even way back when. I remember a crowd of people hunched around a Centris 660av, testing out Media100 and I can attest that what they were doing in that small showroom was nothing short of magical. Those and many more were some great memories, all birthed by Macs, Booya!

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Macintoshgarden is simply the best Macintosh abandonware site. I started learning about Mac computers back to 2007 when i found the old macintoshgarden site. Since then i am into retro computers and especially into Macs. Now i am a proud user of a Powerbook 540c, Macintosh LC475, Macintosh Performa 6116CD with Sonnet G3 installed, Power Macintosh G3 Minitower, Imac G3 and Powermac G4 MDD. Unfortunately i do not have place for all these computers because i have two kids so most of them are in my basement. Right now my office is equipped with the Macintosh Performa 6116CD and one Cyrix Dos/Windows PC with Roland MT32, Roland Sound Canvas SC55 and Roland Sound Canvas SC88 connected. I have used with success my Roland MT32 on my Mac computers for years playing the Sierra On Line adventure games and now it is connected on my PC because there are so many games that support it. The Sound Canvas SC55 is also connected on my PC and soon the SC88 will be connected on my Performa because i found that i can change the quicktime settings and use the Roland for the music. Doom 2, Heretic are some games that us the Canvas.

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Super-fly. I started participating here (or anywhere) 3 years ago. Before then, as with all web, download speeds were much slower, file sizes limited, and connections less stable - dl failed, must try again...

Actually I started with ars Technica and ended up having to tell them to fo, they are so fake for the sake of their advertisers. Three years ago it was supposedly "common knowledge" that intel CPUs were better than PowerPC, that Leopard was better than Tiger, that the MirrorDoorMac was a loud noisy hot beast and you should cut more openings in the face to have even more fans blowing "in" (all the while not a single fan blows "out"). So, we've evolved well here, while those other sites just float rumors.

I thought I was hot shyt 3 years ago, but I've gained so so much here (almost daily) in that short interval. I fully intend to go back in time and humiliate my former self.

I do have my own software library at home, I'm not going to rely on mg being here forever. We know f-w says it's not going away, but not everything is in his(/her?) control. Sometimes I try coming here and get the "dreaded" 404 msg, and I'll think well it finally happened. You may still be here but couldn't my "provider" block you? Then an hour later, mg is back and unicorns prance about.

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I agree with all of the above!

I've only recently become a member, but I like the community. I recently moved and dusted off my pile of old Macs and restoring them. Including piles of old CD-ROMS and diskettes that I'm sorting. Tested the software on real hardware, and made a selection of what's worthwhile to upload. Making screenshots, skimming ReadMe's for system requirements. A tedious thing to do, but it feels good contributing to the community.

So far I found about 70 titles that are already on the Garden. Some of mine are newer, older, or rare localized versions. I'm adding them to existing pages, which I'm doing this week. After that, there's about 110 NEW titles to upload... So yeah, I'll be busy here for a while.

It's great being here. Come say hello on the Discord channel as well, if you're not already there. Smile

Niels

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> It's great being here. Come say hello on the Discord channel as well, if you're not already there.

what's the channel's link ? thx

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https://discord.gg/76uttrf

It’s also available on the landing page Smile

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ouch... B-) !!! thanks anyway , going to join!!

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"NORM!"

I love the 'Cheers' reference, cbone. Laughing out loud

I love the Garden too. Hanging around this place since the days of the System 6 (?) themed design sometime in the 2000s. Dang, that was too long ago. Guess it has become sort of a hobby between work, family and fiddling with Macs. I'm sure many can relate to the "oh, someone is selling Mac software. Let's check if it's already on the Garden" mentality you get into Smile (on a sidenote: Just this weekend bought some stuff on ebay that we're still missing, crossing my fingers the floppies are still working!)

@Niels - sounds amazing! Can't wait to see what treasures you have Smile

I'd especially like to seize the opportunity to thank our admin fogwraith, who runs the show and who does an excellent job doing so. Keeping the Garden in shape and even further developing it + putting up with all the naggers isn't easy - so KUDOS to him!

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I'd especially like to seize the opportunity to thank our admin fogwraith, who runs the show and who does an excellent job doing so. Keeping the Garden in shape and even further developing it + putting up with all the naggers isn't easy - so KUDOS to him!

I second that. Honestly, it's reassuring fogWraith (and everyone who may be helping him) is behind the Garden. Time and time again I have seen only excellence, for a work that I know is entirely fueled by passion. The Garden couldn't have become what it has if it wasn't for such an outstanding service. I also love the side services, like the image hosting, the individual webhosting and the FTP access. Plus everything else. Seriously great work. I'm extremely grateful each visit.

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This site rules Smile And I know i'm new here, but a few usability things:

People aren't notified of replies to their posts. So it's easy to miss something important and relevant if you're not checking the tracker page a lot.

The tracker page itself contains changes to app pages as well... so you might potentially be having to wade through several pages of it to see whether anyone replied to your thread.

I'm not complaining at all, this is a great software repository - but i'd be quite disheartened if i had gone to the effort of developing a new tool, app, or hack... only to have no-one reply and for my thread or app page to effectively disappear behind several pages worth of minor changes to common tools, uploads of software i'm not interested in, or people posting unhelpful comments on other pages.

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Man, it's been a while since I last made a forum post here... Tongue

I agree with everyone's sentiment above. I joined MacGarden in... 2013...? and it's since become my primary source for vintage Mac software, particularly operating systems for the PowerPC Macs I've had over the years. It's amazing to me how much software everyone has managed to collect on this site (I've uploaded one or two items in the past myself), and I hope it stays up and running for many years to come.

As a side note, my (rather extensive) list of past and present Macs can be found on my guestbook/profile page if anyone's curious. Laughing out loud

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It's definitely the best place for the "retro" Macintosh enthusiasts; be it 68k, PowerPC or even early Intel Macintosh software. Contributions big and small are all appreciated here. Obviously it doesn't live in a vacuum, but bit-for-bit MacintoshGarden seems to be the focal point of the seasoned Macintosh user.

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I think it's the purity felt when you stop in, even after a while Smile

It has none of the commercialism that permeates (I was initially going to say plagues) so many websites and has done so since web ads became a thing, which has been a very long time: they're such a headache, which crowd so many free sites, like many entertainment and news article and blog sites. Popups have replaced animated gifs in the web annoyance category; gifs seem to have been relegated largely to very specific uses like forums and app posts, i.e., Whatsapp and their kin!

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I don't think you have to talk so much "past tense" about MacPower. Smile I am writing books, I make videos, I IRC chat and SSH & ftp with my 68k Mac all over the place. I get lost in endless adventure games, I design picture books and dabble in obscure code languages - heck I am having endless fun here Wink

OK, my setup is free of cloud sevices I don't need, advertising banners I don't want and Facebook is a definite "no no" with this (heck what a timesaver Wink
I love the Garden because it helped me to custom the design the power work horse I always dreamt of as a student, but could never afford back then (and if things keep going downhill as they are, I won't be able too again in the near future).
The Garden is homy, its comfy and yes it has "vintage stains" written all over it. And that's just the way I like it.
I am still configuring my headless Windoze 10 PC - and got how I have learned to hate during these last few days. They should pass a law against certain operating systems. Sad

MacOS Platinum just feels right, its still 3D and the Garden is, too Smile

PS: I second your thoughts of gratitude towards the folks (silent heroes) who invest their time & money to make the Garden possible. And they do it free of charge!

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That's the beauty of what we share here Smile it's about our love for simpler, more effective computing (read: none of that ad/tracking mess we call the new normal on our phones, tablets laptops or desktops) it's also about community, because that's what we are, after all!

The 'Mac Classic Era' also captured the epitome of customization with everything open to modification, thanks to the uninhibited proliferation of extensions! Quite a few have the potential to slow down productive environments via system crashes, but most of them serve up a good heap of fun for anyone wanting to get cozy with the OS. In fact, customization in terms of fun and eye-candy never caught on the same way on the Windows-side of things.

That's why the Mac became my 'first love' of computing to a degree that even my first TV-connected gaming systems and computers like my Atari 2600 and my Vic 20 never did. Each new system was enjoyable, but the Mac stuck with me, and many of us, throughout the 'Classic Era'.

That powerful feeling transcends time in a way, so even though we know new Classic Macs are no longer being produced, it will never become 'past tense' to us; it's become a part of who we are. We identify with it personally, sharing many fun times running and sharing so much of its shareware and freeware with fellow Mac users.

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When I tried to "customize" my Win10 PC I - the supposed "great expert" - had to keep googling sh1t like "how do I stop Cortana from talking back to me" or "where are the config files for OpenSSH stored"? And then I had to switch the file manager to Xplorer2, because Windoze own Explorer would crash - on a fresh system - whenever I tried to create a subdir under the "Download" folder.

It is proposterous how much time you loose these days, when setting up a system, with things that having nothing to do with "system settings". Sad
I'd like all those lost weekends back - please.

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Maybe take note of what you change each time, and the effects it has on the registry - and come up with a set of reg files you can run after a new install?

I'm actually doing similar, but in Snow Leopard land (on Hackintosh netbooks)...coming up with a 'perfect' set of ~/Library/Preferences/ plist files to put into /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Library/Preferences Wink

Also, when it comes to Linux i use Ubuntu Mate - and use dconf and gsettings overrides so that each user account gets a particular panel layout, terminal windows are at the size i like, default apps pinned to the Mate dock applet.

Not everything on any platform can be done this sort of way.... but a lot of it can. Investing a bit of time in the short term to record your configuration in a way that's easily repeated is well worth it i think on any platform you use, or at least deploy, regularly

I did come up with a reg file for XP years ago in this way, but i've never really been much of a windows user anyway, so I have no need to do this for Win 10 myself.

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I had a headless Linux backend "PC", but it started to give up on me. The CuBox-i Pro is a grorgeous device but for some reason they stopped selling it with more than 2GB RAM. And after roughly 4 years of permanent (ab)use, the little cube started to reset and/or go down constantly. Couldn't have that for long running jobs so I had to look for a replacement. I bought an Atom based headless, because I thought I could just Linux it to my own liking. But as it turns out, its MegaTrend BIOS won't allow for booting from external media and/or a new partition on the internal drive and I didn't want to risk bricking the thing, by installing another OpSys whilst running on Windoze.

The main prob with Windoze 10 is that so much of its behaviour is solidified into the core of the beast that even changing screen rez is a problem these days. For if I set desktop resolution to anything else then what Windoze thinks is best for me, the darn thing keeps nagging me constantly about it. Well I plan to spend most of my time inside the WS Linux container I set up on it and lock down the rest as good as I can.

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As far as customization, I stopped at Windows XP. I liked making it more like Windows 7 to in a way keep up w/the Joneses and feel more updated. I didn't do anything more to Windows 7 than setup my startup, taskbar and notification items and select some nice wallpaper. My Windows 10 is setup like a server, so I just show the traditional desktop. I feel I get lost inside its off-putting start menu; I call it the 'hot mess' menu, because frankly I feel it's truly one hot mess; it's like something that should only run on a touchscreen.

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Windows 10 has no clear "menu structure" anymore. Its a complete labyrinth now, where the different optics of those nightmarish tiles make it even impossible to associate one to the other by its mere looks. I can't even tell you how often I typed "bluetooth" or "settings" into the taskbar, only to be confronted with an endless list of "maybes". Then I choose one and regretted it the second after: "darn that wasn't it".

Gone is the menu tree, gone is the common look and feel of functionally related parts. Gone are most of the icons, too, and precious screen real estate is now being wasted by these oversized, two dimensional uglies called "Tiles". I couldn't imagine a less ergonomic UI than that of Windoze 10, if someone would pay me for the task of thinking one up.

I swear that I'd revert back to an edge-a-sketch, before I would ever buy myself a full fledged Windoze machine.