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Games without sound

I can't hear any sound from the game Shanghai from https://macintoshgarden.org/games/shanghai but I do see a folder called "Shanghai Sounds" and another called "System Folder." Am I supposed to put these somewhere like my system folder? If so is it possible to add a text document with instructions to the download file on the website?
Also I can't hear any music from the game Marathon despite putting the necessary folder into my system folder. Am I supposed to download the music CD and put that somewhere to?

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Might be a sound-conflict. Can you start it in Classic under OSX? If you hear the sound then, it's likely there's a conflict on the older system - OR you might try rebuilding your desktop file, as the system can't always see files for what they are when the desktop file goes wrong (this also applies to Classic/OSX too).

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What Macintosh do you use?

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Apple changed sound hard- and soft-ware that often, that you have to find out for which OS a game was designed. Picking the right OS and Mac (emulator) often solves sound issues.
Some games were patched to run with newer Macs, "Shanghai II Dragons Eye" is a good example.
I had a floppy version, which would only run with a Mac II in 24bit mode.
The later version works with all kind of Mac emulators, luckily.

The first DL on the Marathon page does work with sound in Basilisk II / MacOS 7.6.
SheepShaver / OldWorldROM / MacOS 8.6 does work too.
Other combos may work as well.

Shanghai 2 (1.DL) works with sound on my side with MiniVMac II / System 6.0.8.
You may try //macintoshgarden.org/apps/minivmac-230-android (3. DL) for a try, if you do not have a MiniVMac II build around already.
Some virus alerts may pop up for the apps - they are false positive.

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I have been playing mini vMac but I have been playing Shanghai and Marathon on BasiliskII. I know Shanghai is probalbly better suited for mini vMac but I really want the color version and not the black and white. Also Marathon's sound is fine, but I don't hear any music. I know there are music CD's in the page I was wondering if I needed to download that separate and put the file somewhere separate.
My BasiliskII says it's a system 7.5.5. which I run on Windows 10.
Also when you say "start it under classic" do you mean the system 6 mini vMac? Like I said, I really want the color version.

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Also when you say "start it under classic" do you mean the system 6 mini vMac?

He was presuming you were using a (PPC) Mac OS X - your operating system was not disclosed by you at that point. Classic is a compatibility layer for earlier software that runs on those Mac OS's and is not relevant in your case, as it turns out.

I think that Mac OS 7.5.5 is too new for this game which was created in 1989. It perhaps should be played on an earlier Mac OS. It will play in a color version of Mini vMac II (see 24bit's post above, for a working link)

That "System Folder" inside the disk means that this disk is bootable, i.e. you can drop the whole "Shanghai_2_0.dsk" onto a Mini vMac icon and it will launch Mini vMac, plus load the game. The System it contains is Mac System 4 with a cut-down Finder version 5.5. and because of the cut-down Finder, it will run the game in B&W only (has no Color QuickDraw), if you should use this disk to launch the game.

So to have this game running in full 8bit color, it's likely better to run it using Mac System 6.0.8 or earlier. From an already running full Mac OS in an 8bit (256 colors) color Mini vMac II. See 24bit's post.

If you really want to play Shanghai using your existing Basilisk II, then you probably should be using a newer version of Shanghai. Links to these are in the lower description area of the Shanghai page that you linked to in your 1st post.

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As was highlighted further up the thread, play Shanghai in the Mac II build of Mini vMac, not the default Mac Plus build. This way you get colour.

"start it under classic" means to run it under Classic mode on OS X PPC.

Best bet is to use Mini vMac though. You want one of the builds from here: http://www.gryphel.org/c/minivmac/dnld_mii.html or, to set your own custom resolution, compile it yourself.

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That worked perfectly, the games has sound, thank you.
Does this mini vMac II run all mini vMac games or do I still need to keep my black and white mini vMac? I thought I remember hearing somewhere there are different versions of mini vMac that work better for different games. As I said I have been playing around with mini vMac which I also store my games on a disk image file called "System6." For convenience can I combine the files of both into one and move the System6 file between old vMac and vMac II if need be?
Also there are 3 different applications, I ran the 27-24, is there a difference between the three in the download?

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Your Mini vMac II, will play a lot of the games that you can also play on a B&W Mac Mini.

Some however will only want to run in a specific window size and in mono B&W, and these won't play on your current Mini vMac II builds. But you can share the same storage container between different Mini vMac's without needing to destroy one or the other.

That said. If you also use the same Mac OS to start the emulation, you may notice glitches in the display. As it will retain the last used window and display settings, requiring some manual adjustments in the Control panels.

Myself, I use different containers with their own bootable startup systems set aside for specific needs to avoid any glitches, and drop in additional non-bootable disk images which house files that I can share between any of the different OS startup disks.

The three different versions you downloaded are for different color display requirements. Mini vMac II cannot adjust color levels in it's Control Panel and to get less or more colors in a display, you need to have a fixed-color variation build. What you have in that download is an 8bit 256 colors (minivmac_27-8.exe), 16bit 32 thousand colors (minivmac_27-16.exe), and 24bit millions of colors (minivmac_27-24.exe), variation builds of Mini vMac II. Most of the old color games will work best in the 8bit, 256 color variation build.

Some games however, require even fewer colors and will want a 16 (4bit) color display or 4 (2bit), down to (1bit) B&W mono display only. And to get those, you will need different variation builds of Mini&vMac.

There are literally hundreds of different variations of Mini vMac that you can try or use, not only the three you DL'd from 24bit's linked page. For example you may want to try running a 1984 128k Mac, just to see what it looked like. Or, you may not be entirely happy with the 1300x700 screen size of the variation builds you DL'd from here, and would like to get a custom build to better suit your own screen.

For example: If you were to "donate" $10 as a Mini vMac Sponsor, this would entitle you to, up to 9,125 unique variation builds of Mini vMac (based on a possible 25 builds per day for 1 year).
Then using the Mini vMac Variations Service page, create different Mini vMac variation builds to suit.

Without the donation, you can still use the Variations Service to see how it works. It will create demo MIni vMac variations, and this may be a good starting point for you to start experimenting with.

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Got it, keep the original mini vmac for black and white games and the mini vmacII in color for the old color games. As for screen size ctrl F (alt f in mini vmacII apparently) seems to work for me, is that not good for screen size?

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Not quite, all that does is toggle the background off or on, i.e.; places a black border around the emulated window.

For example; If you had a display with a 1920x1080 resolution, the 1300x700 display size of the Mini vMac's window you downloaded, would appear within that 1920x1080 display having a thick band of black surrounding the remainder of the screen.

What I was really getting at was that there are literally hundreds of variation builds that you could be using. But if what you have downloaded from here suits your current setup, then that's fine too.

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Actually the black and white mini vmac (at least mine) will go from 1/8th the size of my screen to about 90% the size of my screen with some black on the borders if I use ctrl f.
But what about Marathon? I have the sound just not the music. I see a music cd for it do I need to download that?
EDIT: If I download the music cd how do I play it? Do I just run it as an application while I play the game? Will I need special software for the cd?

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I can't remember how it works for Marathon, but Warcraft II worked by mounting the Redbook partition of the CD, and then the game would access the tracks in-game and play them at appropriate times. This cannot (yet) be replicated in emulation, but work is ongoing to get bin/cue fully functioning in BII and SheepShaver so that more than just the HFS partition can be mounted.

Mini vMac is unlikely to mount the CD in a way that the game can recognize directly, but it might work if you use Toast or Virtual CD Mounter to mount the image from inside the emulator.

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I used basiliskII for Marathon and mini vmac for other games. I guess I don't really need music, it just sounds like it had great music as people talked a lot about the sound track of marathon. I suppose I might be able to just find a youtube video that has the soundtrack and play that in the background, maybe set it on repeat.