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This is the elusive Mac OS X 10.4.0 Tiger For PPC G3's. CD Version

Apple didn't want Tiger to be installed on G3 machines because the G3 doesn’t have Altivec, however some G4's don't have it either and Tiger will install on those machines.
Therefore I created this CD set for my own personal use, for my collection of G3 iBooks by removing all the “bad machines” in the system installers blacklist.
Theoretically this should install on any PPC Mac, but I have only tested it on iBook G3's from 300Mhz Clamshells to a 2003 900Mhz PPC750 G3 White 12.3 iBook, picture enclosed.
This system will install on machines with or without Firewire and works perfectly on all of them, (albeit a little slow on the Clamshells) and is fully updateable just like any other Tiger install. OS 9 is supported, just make sure OS 9 is installed first then start the Tiger install by double clicking on the installer inside OS 9.
I recommend at least 512 MB of RAM (640 is ideal) and a 466 Mhz processor or faster for this to work properly. (It Will Run On A Clamshell 300 Mhz Without Firewire And 320 MB Of RAM)
There have been numerous requests on various websites for this so I have decided to share it.
Disclaimer...Use At Your Own Risk!
That being said….
Enjoy

Compatibility
Architecture: PPC

All PPC G3 G4 G5

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by scott Praed - 2020, March 3 - 6:52am

I upload L2 Cache Config. use in XPostFacto.
XPostfacto webpage tell you how to use it. I upload the page here.

L2CacheConfig 3.3
November 16, 2003
Ryan Rempel
osxguru@macsales.com
Introduction

The purpose of this software is to provide a means with which to enable and configure the backside L2 cache using Mac OS X for computers with G3 or G4 upgrade cards. Installation and configuration of this software requires several steps, so read these release notes carefully.

L2CacheConfig 3.3 works with Mac OS X 10.1 and 10.2. It also appears that L2CacheConfig is working with Mac OS X 10.3, but it has not been heavily tested. I think it probably works with Mac OS X 10.0 as well, but I have not tested it. Let me know if you try. (If version 3.3 does not work, then you could use version 3.2 with Mac OS X 10.0 instead).

The GrabL2CacheSetting application does not work with Mac OS 9.2, but there is a workaround (see below).

I am working on a new cache configuration utility which will not require pre-configuration -- it will automatically detect the appropriate settings. It will be included in XPostFacto 3.0, but I will also make it available separately once it is finished.
Version History

3.3 (August 8, 2002)

Several changes for compatibility with Mac OS X 10.2.

3.2 (August 22, 2001)

Several changes for compatibility with Mac OS X 10.1. I have also tried to fix a bug which prevented the L2 cache from being enabled on certain systems.

3.1 (June 18, 2001)

Removed features related to speculative processing and Altivec, which turned out to be unecessary.

Supported Hardware
L2CacheConfig should work with any G3 or G4 processor, except for the G4 processors that have an L3 cache. Of course, if you are using the processor which originally shipped with your computer, you don't need this software, as Mac OS X (or, more accurately, your computer's firmware) will enable and configure your cache automatically. So this software is of most interest to those with upgraded processors.

If you need assistance in installing OS X on your OldWorld machine (e.g. the 7300 - 9600 series), see the instructions available at http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/.
Download and Installation

The software is available for download at:

http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/Download/L2CacheConfig.img.sit

It comes in the form of a disk image file. You should be able to double click on it and have the virtual disk mount in Mac OS X. On the disk, you will find the L2CacheConfig application, the GrabL2CacheSetting application, these release notes, and a folder with source code (which you can ignore if you like).

To install L2CacheConfig, simply drag the application icon to the desired location on your hard drive (the conventional location would be /Applications/Utilities/ but you can put it elsewhere if you like). That's it! The first time you run L2CacheConfig, it will install a startup item for you.
Configuration

If you are upgrading from a previous version of L2CacheConfig, then you need to launch the new version and authenticate yourself. The updated startup item will then be installed automatically. The format of the preferences file has remained unchanged.

If you are a new user of L2CacheConfig, or if your former preferences file is no longer available, you will need to do a little preparation before using L2CacheConfig. In order for L2CacheConfig to configure the L2 cache properly, you need to create a configuration file which stores the correct configuration for your processor card. This configuration depends on such details as the speed of the cache, the type of RAM used, the size of the cache, etc.

To create the configuration file, follow these steps:

Boot into Mac OS 9
Use the software that came with your upgrade card to enable and configure the L2 cache. Alternatively, you can use the G3/G4 Cache Profiler software from PowerLogix, which will enable and configure a broad range of upgrade cards, and can be freely downloaded from their web site.
Still in Mac OS 9, launch the GrabL2CacheSetting program (included in this distribution). This program reads the current configuration of the L2 cache, and saves it on your desktop, in a file called L2Cache.config. Leave that file there.
Reboot into Mac OS X.
Launch the L2CacheConfig program. Click on the lock and authenticate yourself. L2CacheConfig will find the L2Cache.config file, and import its settings.

Once this process is finished, you no longer need the L2Cache.config file, and you may delete it.

The GrabL2CacheSetting does not work properly in Mac OS 9.2. You can create the L2Cache.config file manually in that case. It is a text file, and its contents are the value of your L2CR register, in hexadecimal format, e.g.:

0xB9000000

(but yours may well be different). You can get the value from some of the Mac OS 9 cache utilities. For instance, the PowerLogix cache profiler shows this value in one of its panes.
Authentication
In order to do its work, L2CacheConfig must load a kernel extension. This requires that you authenticate yourself, and L2CacheConfig will prompt you to do so when launched.
Startup Item
L2CacheConfig automatically installs a startup item the first time you launch it. This startup item is located at /Library/StartupItems/L2CacheStart. Even if you delete the L2CacheConfig application, the startup item will continue to work. So to entirely remove L2CacheConfig from your system (should you wish to do so), you must delete the L2CacheStart folder as well.

There are situations in which you may wish to temporarily disable the startup item. You will need to do this, for instance, if you install a new processor upgrade card, since the cache settings for the new card may well be different than the old card. To disable the startup item, you can run the L2CacheConfig application and uncheck the "Enable L2 Cache" button. Alternatively, you can move or rename the preferences file, which is located at /Library/Preferences/rempel.ryan.L2CacheConfig.plist. Then follow the instructions above for configuring L2CacheConfig to work with your new processor card.

Troubleshooting
If your computer freezes when you enable the cache, or if you have random freezes later, there are several steps you can take that may improve matters. You can increase the clock ratio for the cache (i.e. slow the cache down). It can also help to de-interleave your memory, if it is interleaved. Removing the original motherboard cache can help (if it is removable).

Risks
If you use the wrong value to configure the L2 cache, you would almost surely freeze the system and require a cold reboot. Like all other crashes, this is capable of causing damage to your filesystem. However, once you establish a known good configuration, there is no particular reason why it should not keep working.

The software will notice if you crash immediately upon configuring the L2 cache. In that case, it will not try to configure the L2 cache when you reboot. In some circumstances, you may have to disable L2 cache configuration manually. To do so, you can use the application itself (if you get that far). Alternatively, you can move or rename the preferences file, which is located at /Library/Preferences/rempel.ryan.L2CacheConfig.plist. To reboot into MacOS 9 after a crash, hold down the "option" key while restarting.

Known Problems
Some users have found that L2CacheConfig reports that the L2 cache is not enabled even when the "Enable L2 Cache" checkbox is checked. This is a bug in L2CacheConfig that I have not been able to reproduce or fix at this time. If you should be affected by this bug, you will need to try the PowerLogix or XLR8 cache software instead.

In version 3.2, I have made an attempt to fix this bug. If it should still affect you, the symptom would now be that the "Enable L2 Cache" checkbox will not stay checked when you click on it. I would be interested to learn whether this problem affects anyone.

Credits
I would like to thank Apple for the Darwin project. This software would not have been possible without being able to read source code. I would also like to thank Terry Greeniaus for the GrabL2CacheSetting program, which he graciously updated in several ways to work better with L2CacheConfig. I would like to thank Charlie Wright for designing an icon for L2CacheConfig. Finally, I would like to thank PowerLogix for generously providing a G4 upgrade card for testing this software.

License
The GrabL2CacheSetting software is based on the GrabG3CacheSetting program by Terry Greeniaus, and is subject to the GNU Public License, which can be consulted at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html.

The following licence applies to the L2CacheConfig software.

Copyright (c) 2000 - 2002.
Other World Computing.
All rights reserved.

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer as the first lines of each file.
Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
Redistributions in binary form must retain the link to Other World Computing's web site in the application's "About Box."

This software is provided by Other World Computing ``as is'' and any express or implied warranties, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed. In no event shall Ryan Rempel or Other World Computing be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, exemplary, or consequential damages (including, but not limited to, procurement of substitute goods or services; loss of use, data, or profits; or business interruption) however caused and on any theory of liability, whether in contract, strict liability, or tort (including negligence or otherwise) arising in any way out of the use of this software, even if advised of the possibility of such damage.

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by os9er - 2020, March 5 - 11:27pm

Seems as if the "bad machines" weren't removed from the blacklist; I tried it on my PowerBook G3/333 Lombard (just for grins) and it wouldn't even begin to install... Then I opened up OSInstall.mpkg/Contents/OSInstall.dist in TextEdit on Panther, and the "bad machine" listings were still there, including the ones for PowerBook1,1 (PBG3 Lombard) and PowerBook2,1 (iBook G3/300). So, apparently the edits OP made didn't end up being saved, maybe...?

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by sfp1954 - 2019, August 22 - 2:38pm

Use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPostFacto
But I would suggest a machine as least as powerful as a 400MHz Pismo.
400MHz G3, 512MB PC100 RAM
And if you don't have a DVD drive the four CD set for Tiger is here.
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-osx-mac-os-10-ppc

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by Troyd - 2019, August 21 - 11:41pm

Tried disc 1 on my Clamshell and it booted but I got an error message saying "Tiger 10.4 cannot be installed on this machine."

Ok...

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by SkyCapt - 2018, August 28 - 1:05am

The only difference between a G3 PPC750 and a G4 PPC7400/7410 is the AltiVec unit.

Technically, cache sizes and their associated minutia differ too.

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by muttztfz - 2018, August 27 - 7:02pm

Apple didn't want Tiger to be installed on G3 machines because the G3 doesn’t have Altivec, however some G4's don't have it either and Tiger will install on those machines.
What? Apple supports G3 Macs, but it officially requires FireWire and a DVD drive.

And what would a G4 without AltiVec be? Well, it would be a G3. The only difference between a G3 PPC750 and a G4 PPC7400/7410 is the AltiVec unit. While Motorola added this SIMD unit, which Motorola called AltiVec and Apple called Velocity Engine, IBM persued an alternate path: IBM made the G3 faster. So in 1999 we see fast G3s from IBM and slower G4s, but with the AltiVec SIMD, from Motorla. IBM later realized that such a SIMD is actually a good idea so they made a compatible SIMD that they called VMX for the G5. Motorola enhanced AltiVec in the PPC7450/7440, which was not used for VMX in the design of the G5 from IBM.

As for the Tiger installer: yes, when you install Tiger (or any other Mac OS X) it will check if the actual Mac model it runs on is supported. If it is it will let you install, if it isn't, it will refuse to install. It does this in a very stupid way, by comparing the model identifier from Open Firmware with a blacklist. So it ends up not installing on a PowerBook2,1 (the original iBook G3 from 1999 without FireWire and with a CD drive) but installs fine on a PowerBook2,2 (the 2000 edition of the iBook G3, with a DVD drive and with FireWire).

Once installed, Tiger runs just fine on earlier G3 Macs without FireWire and without DVD drive.

Ways around the installer hardware check:
1) Install on a supported Mac, backup and restore on the unsupported Mac.
2) Install on a supported Mac, then move the HDD to the unsupported Mac.
3) Temporarily modify the Open Firmware model string so that it doesn't match the blacklist.
4) Modify the blacklist on the Tiger installer DVD (or CD, very rare).
5) Use XPostFacto, which essentially does the same.

Anyway, I would only ever install from an unmodified installation disc. But that's just my humble opinion.

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by MikeTomTom - 2017, December 6 - 9:31pm

If you have a G4, or G3 with Firewire you can just use the standard Tiger install.

If this is correct (and I am 100% certain it is), then the screenshot above is of a Mac that can use standard Tiger install disks. It did not require this modified install set to install Tiger.

It would be good if there were screenshots added above from unsupported Macs using this install set. Anyone?

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by MacTouch - 2017, December 6 - 3:02pm

Hi Nana,

Just to clarify some points: Smile

  • You can read the posts you have received by just clicking on your name here (underlined) or answer also to another user by clicking his name. This will pointing on guestbooks directly where you can go to the bottom of the page to add a message to the user.
     
  • I guess that when you talk about your G5, you mean Leopard (10.5) & not Snow Leopard (10.6). That's why Skycapt has pointed out by good reason. Wink
     
  • If u need StuffIt, u can download just here. I hope tho' that it will fit to your configuration.

If u need additional help, just let us know. Thanks.

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by Nana - 2017, December 6 - 12:04am

Had an email reply about Stuffit but cannot find the post on the site but thank you for replying so promptly I shall experiment further after a week with the grandchildren. ibook packed away now.
Just wondering transferred the unzipped file onto the ibook OS9/Tiger would it unzip there? I did not try that.

On G5 running Snow Leopard gene-421 the dialogue said “Stuffit Archives not supported” so I guessed that meant I do not have Stuffit on that machine so can I download it onto OS X Snow Leopard ?

On G5 running Snow Leopard gene-434 the message came up ‘Error 17 file exists

On Yosemite gene -343 the message came up ‘Error 32- Broken pipe.

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by Nana - 2017, December 5 - 10:45pm

iBook is now running with OS9 and Tiger and Word. The final step is to try to get the OS9 bit of the machine to recogise the Eppstein's Gene download which seems to have a weird .hq or .hqx ending and is looking for an application to open it.
Now been in touch with David Eppstein who made Gene for OS9 and he says he has heard it may work on OSX with Sheepshaver, but has not tried it himself.
Does Sheepshaver work with any/all OS X ?

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by Nana - 2017, December 4 - 10:55pm

Thank you so very much for your help, I now have my G3 ibook working with OS9 and Tiger and Word . Now I am baffled how to get David Eppstein's Gene software into OS9 and I would welcome advice on how to do it if you can spare the time.
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/gene/release.html
The downloaded file is either or The ibook says it does not have a application to open 'gene' and I do not know what to choose.
I am very grateful for your "Tiger file".

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by Nana - 2017, November 30 - 10:06pm

Thank you for your answer.
This is a recap of my end goal with queries as I need to reinstall the ibook.
I used to use OS9 software (Gene by David Eppstein) which prints out great family trees with many, many people on one sheet of A4 (not five+ sheets as on well known software brands) and Microsoft Office 2004 Word Mac for the documents.
I wonder if Puma was ever involved ?
When Tiger was still installed on G5 desktop my USBs (extended) were happy to download 2004 Word documents and open the them. As you know Snow Leopard does not read Word 2004.
I need OS9 to communicate with an iMac Retina k or G5 either by e-mails or USB.
1. Could the problem be that my Word programme is now outdated and will not talk to a USB in the iMac Retina k or G5 ?
2. Will either machine above work with OS9 and ethernet cable ?
3. Would the simple answer be to get a modern Microsoft Word ?

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by sfp1954 - 2017, November 24 - 2:22pm

Just put this file on your Tiger volume and expand it. Done!

http://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/Classic_...

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by Nana - 2017, November 24 - 11:35am

Now Tiger is installed how do I get OS 9 Classic to install as well , please ? Mixed messages from web, sites they tell me how to erase Tiger, and mutter about partitions ?
Once OS 9 is installed can I then go straight to Tiger , please ?

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by sfp1954 - 2017, November 22 - 9:17pm

Any two Apple machines with ethernet can be wired together directly, either with a cross-over ethernet cable or through a little 4 port ethernet hub. In some cases the cross-over cable is not even needed as the machine will auto-detect. You can also set up direct wireless connections as most OSX machines can create there own local wireless network.

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by sfp1954 - 2017, November 22 - 7:39pm

Don't believe you can have OS9/Classic on ANY Intel machine even if you run Tiger.
PPC machines only.
Old Airport cards (802.11b) are not supported by most current routers.
I use an old Snow Airport base station hardwired (ethernet) to an Airport Extreme Basestation for connectivity with old machines (G3s, G4 towers and laptops through Quicksilver and Titanium.

Pre-built OS9 folders for Classic purposes are here:

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-922-system-folders

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by Nana - 2017, November 22 - 5:24pm

Having trouble following our conversation as I am working on two internet enabled macs.
Update : Good news I have proved I am burning the CDs correctly because Tiger is now installed on the G3 ibook but refuses to connect to the internet (802.11b). If a USB works then no problem.
BAD news is that OS 9 is no longer installed which was the whole purpose of doing this.
I have the original 7 grey OS9.2.2 & OS X 10.1.4 discs also the shiny Apple Hardware test.
Aim to have a OS 9 with Intel/ Tiger so I can transfer information via USB to other Intel Macs.
What do I do next please ?
ps. What is my guestbook ?

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by MikeTomTom - 2017, November 19 - 9:57pm

Hi Nana, G3 Mac's with FireWire (like your iBook) were the last Mac's of the G3 range that could officially install Tiger. So, you don't use (or need) FireWire to install Tiger to your iBook. Nana, I'll continue with this in your Guestbook.

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by Nana - 2017, November 19 - 4:31pm

Prior to exams at school they always said "read everything Twice". - My light bulb moment .

You told me how to make the correct CDs and at the very top of your orginal instructions told me to use my Firewire to install them. My bad as I just shoved them in the iBook - so wrong.
If at first etc. Nana

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by Nana - 2017, November 18 - 12:28pm

Oh dear, I tried booting into Disc 1 with "C" key but ended up on my normal desktop with Tiger 1 disc on it. The lock is still on in the disc ? No welcome screen.
Rebooted with Option key and see a "grey arrowed C; a HD pic with 'x' on it ; and an Arrow. Ever the optimist I tried all three versions between reboots. Normal desktop each time. Am I a lost cause ?
Nana

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by Nana - 2017, November 17 - 11:13pm

Thank you for such precise and helpful directions, all seems to be going well. I put the 4 Discs in G3 and they showed the names I burnt them under. Tomorrow is installation day !

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by MikeTomTom - 2017, November 16 - 10:52pm

Hello Nana.

1st up, I would insert each CD in turn, into your iBook to test that they all mount and look OK. It would not be nice if you get halfway through installing this OS to discover that one of the disks has a problem.

Then, use CD 1 of the Tiger install set to start up your iBook (if all goes well) it will take you to an install "Welcome Screen".

To boot up the iBook with CD 1, insert it into the CD drive slot when you 1st power the iBook up. Hold the "C" key down while you do this until you get to the Welcome Screen, you can then choose your options for an install of 10.4 "Tiger".

If you get anything other than the Welcome Screen at this point, such as; a grey screen or a kernel panic alert, or spinning-wheel-of-death that goes on for more than 5 minutes. . . then turn the iBook off and reboot it again, but this time hold the "Option" key down as it reboots.

Holding the Option key down as it reboots invokes the Mac's "Startup Manager". This will search for and display icons of any bootable disk available to the Mac, on the screen. When it stops searching (the mouse cursor changes to a pointer) you will see icons of any available startup disk, hopefully including the Tiger CD1. If it's there, then you can click it to select it and then click the right pointing forward arrow below the icons to proceed.

If you cannot boot up to CD 1 by the 1st method of holding the "C" key down or you don't see the CD icon in the Startup Manager, then something has likely gone wrong with your creating the CD and you may need to make a fresh copy of CD 1. Hopefully it won't come to this.

Once you have reached the Welcome Screen, you can then proceed with the install.

As you want to preserve your OS 9 files you should only select to update or upgrade the current Mac OS X that you have on the iBook. Follow the installer's instructions and be ready to swap over to the additional remaining CD's when requested to until the upgrade finishes.

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by Nana - 2017, November 16 - 6:09pm

Thank you MikeTomTom, Firewire seemed a diaster for me probably because I did not know to lock the extracted files immediately so all my DVD disks were useless.
I shall use Disk Utility for burning the new CDs. Two more reassuring answers please .
1) Do I now use these new CDs directly in the iBook CD slot ?
2) Do I boot into OS X or OS 9 ?
I do have all the original Puma disks that shipped when it was new. Do I use one of them ?

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by SkyCapt - 2017, November 16 - 11:10am

The comment entered on May 28 2016 begins with "not true" and I see it's in reference to the current page description. Page probably should read like "Apple didn't want Tiger to be installed on Macs without FireWire, because the FireWire bus had long been the preferred diagnostics artery on Apple hardware at that time."

I know how to put my G4 into G3 emulation mode (disable AltiVec & set the FSB speed* to 100 MHz) and I use and can likely install Tiger, Tiger genuinely supports G3 processors by having software emulation of altivec when the hardware doesn't exist. If Tiger installs on some G3 but not all G3 and the difference is already known to be with FW/without, then it looks like Tiger expects a FW port to be there, even if the computer ought to run no trouble not using the port.

* I've outfitted my Mirror Door G4 with toggle switches in the four indentations in its front panel. Two of these switches alter the system FrontSide Bus speed read/set at boottime. I can "dial up" 100,133,150,and 167 MHz FSB any time, and G4 CPU core is synchronously tied to the FSB so CPU speed is affected proportionally. Strange the switches physically connect to the CPU card, not logicboard. Oh yeah - more about the page description I'm sure all G4 CPU do have AltiVec coprocessor. And it is OSX 10.5 Leopard that refuses to run nor install without the AltiVec, I've tried with mine disabled.

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by MikeTomTom - 2017, November 16 - 12:15am

Classic OS9 Family tree software and information now trapped on G3 ibook 600 MHz
with CD [...] I have access to a G5 Snow Leopard with CD/DVD slot and a few CD-R 700mb but no idea how to get the above dmg. files onto CD . I think I read they need special treatment?

You don't need these disks, Nana.

All G3 600 MHz iBooks have built-in FireWire ports which means that you can use the official universal OS X Tiger CD's to install a 10.4 OS for your iBook. The disks on this page are not required by you (tho' they could probably still be used OK).

You can download standard universal CD install images for Tiger on this page

The files that you should DL from that page are labelled:

  1. Tiger_CD1.toast_.zip (433.84 MB)
  2. Tiger_CD2.toast_.zip (575.86 MB)
  3. Tiger_CD3.toast_.zip (585.43 MB)
  4. Tiger_CD4.toast_.zip (171.70 MB)
  5. Tiger_Updates.dmg_.zip (745.04 MB)

They are currently the 26th to 30th DL's listed down in that page.

All above files require unzipping (the G5 you'll be using will have an unzip tool to extract the archives and you will only need to double click these zip files to extract). Once they have been extracted you can use Toast 6 from here if the G5 doesn't have Toast, to burn the .toast files to four CD's. Alternatively, you can use the G5's built-in Disk Utility tool to burn these to CD (ask here for instructions if necessary).

It is important tho' that as soon as you extract these 4 Toast files, that you lock them immediately, so that they cannot be modified by any other application, including the Mac OS Finder. If they get modified by any means at this stage, they will no longer be able to boot up your iBook. You lock them by selecting their icons and choosing Get Info on each and clicking a check box that will be found in each of their info windows.

The final file, Tiger_Updates.dmg_.zip does not require burning to CD, it can be directly downloaded to your G3 once you have installed Tiger and set up a network. Unzipped to a .dmg file, you only need to double-click this .dmg to mount it onto your desktop then run the installers you'll find inside the mounted image.

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by Nana - 2017, November 15 - 10:34pm

Classic OS9 Family tree software and information now trapped on G3 ibook 600 MHz with CD (single layer?) slot running Mac OS x 10.1.4. It refuses to connect to the internet and Usb does not talk to Intel.
I have access to a G5 Snow Leopard with CD/DVD slot and a few CD-R 700mb but no idea how to get the above dmg. files onto CD . I think I read they need special treatment ?
Step by step instructions for this OAP would be very gratefully received.

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by sfp1954 - 2016, September 9 - 1:36am

It was a limitation put by Apple into the Tiger installer.
The Tiger installer checks for a valid target machine against its list of valid machines.
Any G3 without an built-in Firewire port is on the list of "invalid" machines.
The creator of this page has edited the installer list.

"Therefore I created this CD set for my own personal use, for my collection of G3 iBooks by removing all the “bad machines” in the system installers blacklist."

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by 3371-Alpha - 2016, September 8 - 5:57am

Oh. I think that was actually a limitation of the version of Open Firmware that shipped with the pre-firewire Macs, not the processor.

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by sfp1954 - 2016, September 7 - 10:42pm

Tiger required a G3 with a built in Firewire Port.
So you could install it on the Pismo Powerbook, but not the Wallstreet or Lombard.
I don't think it would install on a Beige G3 desktop or tower for the same reason, or the early iBooks.

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by 3371-Alpha - 2016, September 7 - 6:13pm

I'm kind of confused over what exactly this software does. Tiger had native support for G3, it was Leopard that dropped support for them. It's also worth noting that you got some facts mixed up, ALL G4s have AltiVec/Velocity Engine, That's part of what made them the next generation of PowerPC processors. On the other hand, IBM did make a few versions of the G3 that came with AltiVec, though I don't think those were used by Apple.

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by altivectorizeit - 2016, May 28 - 5:02pm

Not true, PPC Macs can boot to USB from Open Firmware (Opt+Cmd+O+F @ boot) with this command: "boot usb*/disk@*:*,\yaboot", replacing the asterisks with the desired device and partition. It's been very useful with the 12" G4 PBooks, the optical drives are not incredibly reliable.

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by minimojoman - 2016, March 29 - 9:32am

dang it!!! Disc 2/3 and possibly 4 is corrupt, I stopped checking, these work though https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-osx-mac-os-10-ppc

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by Superposition - 2016, February 9 - 3:42am

Outstanding! Thank You
PowerPc USB Bootable
Copied image using Disk Utility
Installed by holding the Option button at startup.
Tested and running
ibook clamshell G3
Powerbook G4

sfp1954's picture
by sfp1954 - 2016, January 4 - 5:48am

No. Only Intel machines can boot from external USB devices.

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by sfp1954 - 2016, January 4 - 5:47am

If you have a G4, or G3 with Firewire you can just use the standard Tiger install.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-osx-mac-os-10-ppc

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by wcheneyjr - 2016, January 3 - 10:17pm

Got this installed on a 2003 800mhz eMac.. It seems to be working well with a lot more features.. Now if only i could get flash player to work..

wcheneyjr's picture
by wcheneyjr - 2016, January 2 - 10:45pm

Will this Mac OS 10.4 work on a 2003 eMac? 512MB RAM 800mhz cpu...? Am running OS 10.2.8 currently.

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by collector2661 - 2015, December 8 - 9:47am

I just posted XPostFacto here as well for anyone who might need it. I have personally never used it but it's a shot in the dark for anyone having difficulty. If anyone knows how to use it please post some basic instructions here.

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by Cheetah Pixie - 2015, December 8 - 6:55am

I am using CD-R for this.

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by WhosIt.There - 2015, December 8 - 1:25am

First, CD ROM drives that were made in 1999 had difficulty reading from modern 700 MB CD's, at least for booting purposes

Older drives also often can't read CD-RW discs. They're usually better with CD-R instead.

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by Cheetah Pixie - 2015, December 7 - 11:19pm

I have the RAM for the job, so the picky CD thing might be the issue. Can it boot from an USB CD drive?

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by collector2661 - 2015, December 7 - 6:18pm

A few things I encountered with my 1999 300Mhz Clamshell.... First, CD ROM drives that were made in 1999 had difficulty reading from modern 700 MB CD's, at least for booting purposes, back then CD's were 650 MB and are no longer available unless you get lucky and find some on ebay. I replaced my factory CD drives with DVD burners and that solved that problem, (yes you can burn DVD's with the G3) or you could try booting from an external drive. Currently DVD burners are going for around $15.00-$25.00 on ebay. Second, you must have at least 320 MB of RAM to install, 256 MB to run but please for your own satisfaction use 512 MB.
The last option is to install the OS on another later Mac then put the harddrive back in the iMac.
The Wiki says Tiger will run on your 266, but remember that has not been tested.
Hopefully this helps. Good Luck

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by Cheetah Pixie - 2015, December 7 - 4:27pm

Refuses to boot on revision C iMac. Any advice?

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by collector2661 - 2015, November 24 - 3:01am

Actually.... I think it will. I posted the Wiki as the Tiger manual and they say it will using a program called XPostFacto to bypass the installers blacklist. However, with this that will not be needed.

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by WhosIt.There - 2015, November 19 - 4:38am

Yep, I wonder if it would work on my 266MHz beige G3 with 288MB RAM too. It will only take me about six years* to download it via dial-up to find out.

* Note: Very slight bit of exaggeration used.

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by MikeTomTom - 2015, November 19 - 4:21am

  I created this CD set for my own personal use, for my collection of G3 iBooks by removing all the “bad machines” in the system installers blacklist.

Interesting and thanks for the addition.

I wonder if this will install on my beige G3 Wink
Just kidding as I'm keeping the beige at OS 9.x only and no X, but seriously, I do wonder if its possible.