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#1
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us [mirror].de
inside.zip (3.38 MB)
MD5: 8a8c569815ed3f1cd0db87bc5fdb4400
For System 6.x - Mac OS 9
#2
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us [mirror].de
II.img_.zip (3.30 MB)
MD5: 8fdcd46685a74f6159b3de2b99656af4
For System 6.x - Mac OS 9
Emulation
This app works with: SheepShaver, Basilisk II, Mini vMac

This is a reverse dictionary and brainstorming application designed by novelist and journalist Stephen Glazier. Inside Information was the flagship product of the Microlytics Infodesk Series, which also includes The Elements of Style and the Random House Desk Encyclopedia. MS-DOS versions were also released.

First DL (5) Disk Copy 4.2 800K disk images, compressed with StuffIt 4.01
Second DL The installed files in a disk image for use with an emulator.

The app itself seems to work up to OS 9, but the installer may have issues.

Compatibility
Architecture: 68k

Mac Plus or better
System 6.0 or higher
Hard Drive required
3.5MB Hard Drive space

Note: The manual claims System 7 support, but this was tested in 7.5.5 and Mac OS 8.1 on real hardware and the systems froze. May be a 24bit addressing issue.

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Dookie Boot's picture
by Dookie Boot - 2016, March 8 - 2:31am

Ok, I installed the Random House Desk Encyclopedia and reinstalled Inside Information and EofS and all three work. I also had to update InInfo with a converter program found on the EofS disk. The Infodesk copyright date on the RH CD is dated 1992.

Dookie Boot's picture
by Dookie Boot - 2016, March 5 - 12:56am

[Edit] Runs OK for me under Mac OS 8.1 (Basilisk II emulating full 68040 CPU). Oddly, I had to remove the DA from the suitcase and drop the contained executable onto the closed System Folder, before it would work. Looks like those previous instructions were correct. Anyway, no problems with it working so far. I do like the "Reverse Dictionary" part. Thanks for this, Dookie.

Ok, I tried it this exact way and it's freezing, this time without an bomb error window popping up.

At this point I'm pretty convinced it's a 24bit addressing issue. This program is based on Microlytics Wordfinder program, which according to usenet posts is 32 bit dirty. It wasn't resolved until they released Wordfinder Plus in 1992.

I am waiting on Microlytics Random House Desk Encyclopedia in the mail, which is the last of the Infodesk series. This was also licensed by Apple in 1993 and included with some Apple CD 300 external CD-ROM's. I'm hoping this has an updated version of the Infodesk/Inside Information executable.

24bit's picture
by 24bit - 2016, March 4 - 5:52pm

Dookie, you might try some flavor of Software FPU to rule out the possibility of a 68LC040 incompatibility:
http://www.macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=23290
Not that one would expect Inside Information calling for a FPU routine...

MikeTomTom's picture
by MikeTomTom - 2016, March 3 - 1:44am

  gives the bomb message with a Type 10 error

In my book of Macintosh Error Codes, for Errors 9 & 10 it gives these as being a "Line 1010 & 1111 Trap".

ID=09 and ID=10 Line 1010 & 1111 Trap

There are many routines in the Macintosh ROM that can be called by placing instructions in a program that aren't in the 68000's vocabulary.

When the 68000 encounters such an instruction, it looks it up in the instruction table. This table gives the location of routines paired with each instruction. If it finds an entry in the table for the instruction, it branches to the routine. If there's no entry for the instruction, you see one of these errors.

Its just possible that this software isn't compatible with a 68LC040 CPU (I read 24bits post below that this is your 68k Mac's CPU).

This is just speculation on my part. I haven't tried running it on any Mac OS as yet. I'll try it out on Mac OS 8.1 on an '040 CPU and report back.

[Edit] Runs OK for me under Mac OS 8.1 (Basilisk II emulating full 68040 CPU). Oddly, I had to remove the DA from the suitcase and drop the contained executable onto the closed System Folder, before it would work. Looks like those previous instructions were correct. Anyway, no problems with it working so far. I do like the "Reverse Dictionary" part. Thanks for this, Dookie.

MikeTomTom's picture
by MikeTomTom - 2016, March 3 - 1:24am

  delete the file without the img container from the server?

Hi 24bit, No, you and me are in the same boat with this one. The best we can do is remove files from a page and leave a link to the file to be removed from the server in the other forum, for fogwraith. I've removed it from this page and left a note over there.

24bit's picture
by 24bit - 2016, March 2 - 10:33pm

Not my brightest idea MTT, sorry.
Could you please delete the file without the img container from the server?

Dookie Boot's picture
by Dookie Boot - 2016, March 2 - 10:29pm

In Mac OS's 7.0 to 9.2.2 installing DA's in their SSW 6 suitcases is best done by dragging the complete unopened suitcase onto a closed icon of the System Folder. The Finder will then inform you that it will put this software into its correct location and you can then click OK to to it.

Don't know if it will help in your case, Dookie, as you've recently mentioned odd issues with other software on that Mac, too. Extensions overload?

Ok, I just tried resinstalling and dropping the unopened suitcase into the unopened System Folder icon. It gave the prompt you described and I clicked ok. But it still gives the bomb message with a Type 10 error when I clicked on Infodesk, and restart was necessary. I don't have a lot of extensions other than the normal: Quicktime, etc.

MikeTomTom's picture
by MikeTomTom - 2016, March 2 - 9:11pm

  In both 7.5 and 8.1 I installed the dictionary files and took the Infodesk app out of the briefcase and placed it into the Apple Menu Folder as instructed.

In Mac OS's 7.0 to 9.2.2 installing DA's in their SSW 6 suitcases is best done by dragging the complete unopened suitcase onto a closed icon of the System Folder. The Finder will then inform you that it will put this software into its correct location and you can then click OK to to it.

Don't know if it will help in your case, Dookie, as you've recently mentioned odd issues with other software on that Mac, too. Extensions overload?

Also, the 2nd DL above (II.zip) is only usable on Mac OS X systems, as it contains proprietary OS X data for restoring classic resource forks. That is, it won't extract correctly on original hardware or other non-OS X OS's running Mac emulators.

24bit's picture
by 24bit - 2016, March 2 - 7:03pm

Nah-not really, comrade.
I installed your stuff in MiniVmacII, copied all files to a single folder and Inside Information worked fine with any MacOS I threw it on.
My Macs are all long gone, as you may have guessed. I´m using OS X 10.11 right now, emulating MiniVMac(II), BasiliskII and SheepSaver. I´m clueless as to why your 68LC040 should not run the old stuff natively. IIRC our Centris 650 could run almost all our old apps, except for a few games requiring SSW2 on a MFS floppy.
Installers writing stuff into your System folder do not behave nice though and may interfere with virus scanners, gatekeepers or other protective stuff.

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Dookie Boot's picture
by Dookie Boot - 2016, March 2 - 6:20pm

Can you describe exactly how you got it working for OS 9? In both 7.5 and 8.1 I installed the dictionary files and took the Infodesk app out of the briefcase and placed it into the Apple Menu Folder as instructed. Then when I clicked on Infodesk the computer would freeze, to the point of having remove the power cable. Same thing with Elements of Style.

24bit's picture
by 24bit - 2016, March 2 - 3:11pm

Yeah, this one is a bit odd.
The installer insists on swapping floppies, so it may be best run with real vintage 68k Macs.
However it is possible to install the app with MiniVMacII running MacOS7.1 by dropping the floppy images onto it, when the installer asks for them. Files are installed into the System Folder. The app has to be taken out of its suitcase and is running with MiniVMacII, BasiliskII and SheepShaver.