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Who is actually paying for MG?

MG seems to have unlimited resources these days. No upload is refused because it is "too big". These is no download speed throttle that I can find. These is no download limit.

These things cost money. Who is our benefactor?

Gary

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Hello Smile

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Are you funding MG from your own pocket or do you have a "silent partner"?

Gary

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There are no "silent partner(s)", and it would feel horribly awkward to accept donations. So in other words, it's just pocket money Wink

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Serious question that sounds silly:

What happens if you get hit by a bus tomorrow?

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In case of an untimely death, I've made sure that my accounts and passwords to everything is taken care of and that someone appropriate takes over. There are at least several people in line that are more than adequate to take over things.

Planning ahead is essential, regardless of how morbid it sounds.

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I've an idea, mg could recoup its expenses with advertising.

err, no, wait... hahaha Cash

It's only money. I find money on the ground once in a while. Haven't found Mac software that way.

You know how totalitarian gubments go on "book burning" sprees, what if someday they try to wipe out old software for same reasons. mg, we got your back.

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Advertising? Not as long as I breathe Wink

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bottled air, and a yoga instructor: on their way.

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Maybe patreon? I'm sure some of us would be happy to throw a few bucks your way each month

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Na, not speaking for anyone else, money is the root of all evil, corrupting influence, and I'll bet the "horribly awkward" (mentioned) part of accepting donations is because this site's focus is the sharing of what was once the hard work done by others.

About the original post, the seemingly limitless dl speed and quantity isnt just mg, it is reflecting the general trend in networking tech's using higher capacity storage and faster links. I heard the upload size limit is about 10GB? allowing double-layer DVD titles like Leopard OS be in one file, but not larger.

Some users already spend a lot on their own hardware and data plans, just to get here, some could already be spending more than the cost of operating.

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and I'll bet the "horribly awkward" (mentioned) part of accepting donations is because this site's focus is the sharing of what was once the hard work done by others.

No. Before fogWraith took over the Macintosh Garden's running; In the earlier days of the current MG, the MG's then manager's had toyed with employing donation schemes to collect funds from users to help pay for the MG's running. Later, they sought funds from 3rd party companies for acknowledgement and page clicks, there also were Google and other data trackers employed, too. - That's all gone.

About the original post, the seemingly limitless dl speed and quantity isnt just mg, it is reflecting the general trend in networking tech's using higher capacity storage and faster links.

Actually, fogWraith has only had full management control of the MG for less than two years. Prior to his stewardship, we had a 40MB (Megabytes!) upload limit. Downloads were not hosted locally, those 40MB uploads then had to be manually moved to 3rd party hosting (amazonaws) before they could be accessed. Files larger than 40MB needed to be uploaded by members to (often short-lived) 3rd party cloud servers. Several of our member's large off-site Mac collections, vanished overnight when certain servers (mainly to cover their own backs in the wake of the MegaUpload debacle a few years back) pulled the plug on them. And, more often than we would have liked, the MG would go off-line, sometimes for days. The worst breakdown I recall was when management had failed to renew the MG domain address and the MG was cybersquatted for about 2 - 3 weeks.

Prior to fogWraith's management, I felt that management had lost interest in the MG. For months it seemed like the only one's here keeping things going were the admins and mods. And we were directionless.

I for one would never want to see a return to those days and am so grateful for how the MG has evolved under fogWraith's leadership, generosity, time, stability and focused sense of purpose.

Some users already spend a lot on their own hardware and data plans, just to get here, some could already be spending more than the cost of operating.

No matter how we get here, enjoy what is here and participate however you want to. All we ask is that we all try to treat each other with respect and for all of us to try and stick to the few rules that we have. Have fun.

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---->I for one would never want to see a return to those days and am so grateful for how the MG has evolved under fogWraith's leadership, generosity, time, stability and focused sense of purpose.<----

I think all of us who recall those days, and who are still active on MG, would second this. Thank you so much, fogWraith.

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True, thanks a lot, fogWraith! Smile

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Lurking away in the shadows, I'm somewhat involved as well. More in the beginning of the "fogWraith era" than now thanks to life, but still here.

We ran MacDomain, fogWraith and I, for those who remember that site. Always hosting everything our selfs, never using any external hosting in the process. We sort of nagged our way into Macintosh Garden, offering to host the downloads. After the MegaUpload takedown I guess there was an urgent need, and our offer to help was responded to. The garden was (and is) too wonderful to let die just for lack of proper hosting. The rest is as they say, history.

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Having been a long time MacDomain user I knew these guys were good but I had no idea they would do such a superb job on the Garden. Awesome, well done! Smile

But also kudos to the former admins for all the work and hours they invested and for actually caring enough to not letting the Garden die a slow death, but handing it over into capable hands. That's not the rule, but rather the exception.

Coming to think of it, an article on the history of the MacGarden would be a great addition to the site. I've already been using the old Macintosh Garden back in too long ago and I always wondered how it came about.

P.S. I remember donating quite a few coins to the cause of the Garden several years ago and was rather disappointed that the proposed new, faster server and more disk space never surfaced ...

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I for one would never want to see a return to those days and am so grateful for how the MG has evolved under fogWraith's leadership, generosity, time, stability and focused sense of purpose.

I completely agree. At that time I hadn't yet found the Mac Garden, but it is currently my main source of Mac abandonware, especially OSes, and has been for a little over 3 years now. I want very much to keep it that way, and fogWraith, from what I'm seeing in the other comments, has done an excellent job of doing so. Thank you fogWraith; without your efforts, from what I've read, the MG might not still be here today. Smile

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Cheers to all the hard work and dedication. Double-Cheers to no ads. Being aware of and using MG for many years now, only recently creating an account, this is without a doubt the best it has been.

EDIT: I just noticed MG uses Mollom. Isn't that going away next year? Hopefully nothing changes because of it.