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This is an excellent post. You can't edit anything on a touch device, you can't get into its insides, and you can't even make any commands of any sort at all. Besides, tablets are big, clunky, and the screen is too damn large and cumbersome to use. And indeed, when did we need all these spying, privacy-breaching personal assistants that usually don't even do what you want them to? It's quicker to just do something than specifically asking an AI is...

An 11-inch laptop though... That's a much different story. Wink

Thank you, I'm glad to have made your day, my sir. I strive for infinity and beyond.

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You can muck about with them if you really want to, but it's not as easy as with a real computer (and it sometimes requires a real computer to manipulate the device's content). You can, for example, 'Jailbreak' an iOS device and then play around inside the OS, install any apps you want, etc.

Apple of course has begun to lock down the Mac OS as well. They now hide some of the system folders to stop novices playing around inside them, GateKeeper stops novices from installing potentially naughty apps, etc.

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And this, friend, is why I hate Apple as they are.

Gone are the days of the silver, space-themed, kickass computer doing it differently than the rest of the competition, or the unbelievably charming desktop running a new and powerful OS sporting an intriguing 'lickable' interface.

Now, that slot in the battlefield belongs to the Linux community, because Apple stepped down from it long ago, it sure as hell isn't Microsoft, and I don't see anybody else around to claim it. Wink

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At the moment you can still easily muck about with Mac OS X if you want to, but you'll need to be proficient in using the command line Terminal for many things (including turning off GateKeeper since Apple removed the "Anywhere" option in the System Preferences).

Even though the user's system Library folder is hidden, you can easily get to it via the Go To Folder menu option. (For some ridiculous reason the main system Library folder is still visible!!)

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"Even though the user's system Library folder is hidden, you can easily get to it via the Go To Folder menu option. (For some ridiculous reason the main system Library folder is still visible!!)"

Hit Command-J in your home folder to open the View Options windoid. At the bottom is a checkbox for Show Library Folder. Check it.

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Excellent.

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Or type the following into terminal for permanent visibility:

chflags nohidden ~/Library/

The thing with Mac OS X nowadays is that if you're determined to stay GUI, you might as well go Windows - as OS X GUI is slowly moving towards 'At Ease'. But if you're willing to go Linux, you might as well stay with Mac OS X - as the power of OS X now all lies in the Terminal.

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Another must-know terminal command is

defaults write -g NSDisableAutomaticTermination -bool yes

to disable the annoying automatic termination of applications with no active windows.

Mac OS X is still the most powerful OS in the universe, but sadly you really need to get down and dirty with the Terminal in order to access it nowadays.

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I don't know about those two specific examples (as Dog Cow said, the Library folder one can be changed in the Finder), but many of these "hidden" OS settings can be changed using GUI apps like Onyx and Tinker Tool.

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You know, At Ease, as a precursor to iOS is a pretty intriguing proposition indeed (although it was only intended as a comparison). Not that it in itself it would offer great utility, but I'm thinking about 'kiosk' type of applications for 68k programs, specifically under Basilisk II run on my flipbook in tablet mode. I' m not sure that orientation switching would work, but that could be turned off.

You just got my wheels turning on a few ideas, Bry.. now I'll need to see if it can run on 8.1 and how well it does using a touchscreen. This is so cool! If it runs, this would literally be a 68k iPad, lol! Laughing out loud

Before anyone says anything clever about this Frankensteinian brainchild, there's actually a method to my madness, or should I say 'game plan' Wink

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Seriously ingenious way of potentially making At Ease useful, cbone! Promise me to give me a heads up if it works out. Would LOVE to take a stab at hacking At Ease with a platinum theme if it works out Smile

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Just checked out the resources of At Ease, and seems skinning will be an easy task. However, the tab resource is only a monochrome mask - so the Platinum (or Aqua Tongue ) skinning of those depend on whether At Ease accepts gradient masks or not...

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Oh sh*t, really? Santa That would be fantastacular, Bry! Party

I long toyed with the idea of 'At Easing' low end Mac OS and loading it up with a serious boatload of games and killer apps. The end game would be to give a few young people some sweet old-school resources that wouldn't break the bank but have some (definitely) creative applications for them.

Emaculation.com says that the lack of MMU makes At Ease fail on Mac emulators. I attempted to load At Ease 2.0.3 on BSII and now my Mac's down ATM. Will use another image to boot and troubleshoot the boot-up issue Sad

Once I get it going, I'll update you. For and 'aquafied' skin, maybe a simplified, monochrome graphic may do, following Apple's latest flat iOS-style UI, which would actually be a perfect fit for the aim of this project. So again, note that unless At Ease can be un-MMUed, the working versions for emulators is v2.0.3 (I installed the work-group version, which I now noticed was not listed in their compatibility list, so I'll try the non-WG next) Sad

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Don't think this will be of any help as you're on 8, but At Ease doesn't work on OS 9 at all. OS 9 automatically trashes At Ease upon installation (tried with both At Ease 2 and 3).

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That's why the Penguin Gods gave us LineageOS.
All your well founded points of criticism regarding Google's behemoth footstamp goes out the window(s) with that. Combine it with the X-Framework and privacy rules the tablet!

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One thing I always enjoy about our merry band is that we all have so much wealth to share.. LineageOS sounds simply amazing, m68k!

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That's why the Penguin Gods gave us elementary OS, the perfect drop-in replacement for anything Apple has to offer.

#JunoHypeTrain

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Didn't I mention LineageOS as the panacea for the Google disease somewhere already?
It has been written *exactly* to address all the (valid) complaints you listened about that data craken.

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Seems some here are on the same page with me. Smile
Sure its possible to jailbreak some iPads, and getting root access for Android to have a improved OS is not out of reach either. The general idea of locking out the end user is all over the place today.
Same for the hidden Minix running side by side with your OS on every fairly recent Intel cpu.
Hacking the AMT features and hardware whitelists is getting harder all the time too.

As posted elsewhere, I´m fine with my Sierra HackBook and my vintage Xeon rigs as of today, but which direction to take when Sierra support is dropped, I´m not quite sure.

Anywhere

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You can still turn off Gatekeeper in High Sierra, but it requires a command line in Terminal (I've never bothered to see if it's a permanent change though).

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It's really easy to allow unsigned apps to run on an application to application-basis in High Sierra though the Terminal (or conversely turn off Gatekeeper completely).

However, to me as a developer this is a big pain in the behind, as I consistently have to beta-test unsigned apps but still want to keep the additional security from Gatekeeper on a regular basis.

Seeing the blatant recklessness of my parents on the web (regardless of my father being a true intellectual powerhouse), I truly do understand the rationale behind Apple hiding a lot of power-features in the Terminal though.

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I don't blame them for doing what they do when considering how technically proficient their modern userbase is.

Unfortunately, that means alienating a ton of the OS X veterans from 10+ years ago, who now have to look somewhere else for something similar to the original operating system they fell in love with, which the Millennial's paradise is now nothing alike to.

...Actually, I'm not quite sure of what I'm accomplishing right now besides ranting...

Carry on...

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I don't blame them for doing what they do when considering how technically proficient their modern userbase is.

Apple has always been about making computers and devices that are easy for anyone to use ... it's been their core business concept since the start.

The problem is that iOS is really too simplified, so makes it difficult to use an iPad (for example) to do any real work ... even something as simple as printing or using USB keyring drives is a kludgey workaround. Although it's not there yet, and might never be so simplified, MacOS X is heading in that direction in some ways.

Of course, as well all know, the best Mac OS was and still is OS 9 anyway. Laughing out loud

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Hell yeah! Mac OS 9 Forever! (and Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger wasn't too bad either Wink )

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Agreed.

Though I'd take Jaguar or Panther first, in terms of personal preference. No other OS X looked as good as the first 3 versions, when they actually used 100% aqua, and not brushed metal (which wasn't too bad), or smooth metal, or now this blasted flat metro theme everyone in the industry is using. Aqua is long dead. When it got to 10.5, it evolved to Space, and when 10.10 came, it turned into Metro.

I wish someone would make an Aqua theme for Linux. Just to preserve that forgotten beauty.

Believe it or not, I actually managed to browse the Internet somewhat comfortably on Safari 1.0 in 2015. But things have changed since then, unfortunately. Namely the TLS apocalypse. Sad times upon us.

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Yeah! Totally on board with what you’re saying!

For me though, Tiger strikes the perfect balance. I might be sacrificing pure Aqua, but I retain the compatibility and core technologies I need (except for that damned Quartz Composer 3.0).

Speaking of which: Anyone here know how to force Quartz Composer 3.0 onto Tiger? Would mean the world to me Smile

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You mean like these ones (they are for "Gnome", whatever that is):

but there's piles and piles of others.

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GNOME is the highest profile and likely best funded Linux desktop environment. Navigating GNOME 3 is like navigating underwater. It's unbelievably smooth and fluid. Very conservative on screen space, too.

Exactly like those. Thank you very much.

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enlightenment!

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I like Pantheon better. Tongue

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E is for GUI fanatics - not sane users Smile

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I am all for giving me a warning "not to push that button".
But at the end of the day its my system, paid for with my money and if I want to I blow it straight to kingdom come - and nobody dare to take that freedom away from me!

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Yep, looks like there are scarcity of ''new ideas'' about adding new OS funcionalities... they're just focus in what could new for younger generations. Happens that you can become really lazy, when you sleep over a cushion of millions and millions of dollars.
They forget how is it:
-being fool
-hungry
-pirate

The meaning of the risk on innovation... damn, in billion dollars company.like apple...

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Excellent.

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They will learn hunger soon enough. The Chinese know hunger and they are coming up fast.
Apple, Google & Co. better learn how to *invent* better stuff, rather than just how to do better marketing.
What I *hate* about cloud based computing is, that I never know the hemisphere my data ends up in and what the heck they do with it behind my back.

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Another excellent comment.

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Word, brother!

Still not using any cloud services except for iCloud - and even that is borderline as Apple historically has been leaning on Amazon's and Google's (*shudders*) cloud servers for iCloud. Hope that their massive investment in server infrastructure in recent years has made them more independent from Big-Brother-of-your-PHYSICAL-life-any-day-now.

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I know, right? Talk about being 'colonized' again!

This is where 'free' comes at the price of.. freedom!

Yes, g 'fill-in-the-blank', I'm talking about you!

Is it ok that I like one Amazon(ian), Wonder Woman? Lol Laughing out loud

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Both of you are on the money!

There's a good reason Google changed their slogan from "Don't be evil." to "Do the right thing." in 2015.

They finally realized they were evil, privacy-destroying warlords!

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"Why Google it with Chrome, when you can Be Brave and Duck It?"

(Sponsored by Brave Browser and DuckDuckGo)

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'Privacy is sacrificed at the need for Security'

That's a truth I lived when I was attacked by a hacking hijacker who remoted into my PC. That day I took a chance and went to Chrome OS, which then connects my life to the G-oliath that is Google. That arrack compromised my PayPal, which promptly took away my credit line privileges with them because under their criteria, I was now considered 'damaged goods'. In other words, i was now a security risk to them because they figured that I was in very high risk of future attacks because the hijackers had the whole 411 on me and they couldn't even trust that it may actually be me or not on the phone or other means of communication. A real sad reality, really.

I enjoy my Chrome-world, but I am not at all sold my decision of being under their platform, because ultimately the need for security has shackled me to their ecosystem simply because it allows me to focus on daily life matters over whether or not I should be careful about doing something online. It's such a double-edged sword that I shudder to think about what may come as a result of my decisions concerning them.

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Chrome OS is built on Linux, so most of its packages should be available.

You can ditch Chrome OS and use Linux Mint if you like the Windows interface, or use elementary OS if you like the Mac interface. You could also use Debian 9.5 for the greatest stability + the most fluid and water-like environment you've ever seen. It will likely also be more secure, because not only is it more secure than Windows or OS X by design, it is also more secure by obscurity. Either way, you can be sure there won't be any Google or hackers in sight.

And if you want to be extra sure, invest in a Purism laptop (https://puri.sm/). They have physical kill switches that cut the power to the Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and other communication modules built-in, so you can be 100% confident that you're essentially untouchable by remote malicious sources, and nothing like what happened to you can ever happen again. They're also handmade with lots of love. Smile

Put some time aside and do your own research. If you desire to stay away from Google, there are always ways to do so.

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Heard Wink

I know I went the easy way out doing what I did, but at the time I was simply afraid. The attackers went ahead and tried to siphon about 3k of funds transferred and also attempted another 3k purchase of an expensive camera. What was scary was I had close to that amount coming into my checking account, not my money directly, so it all got sucked up and everything went downhill from there. It was afterwards that I tried Elementary OS as a solution to Windrones. It wasn't perfect, but maybe it had to do with the Mini-PC I chose, the Liva X. I was trying to set it up as a HTPC running a Plex server, but I couldn't connect the software to my external drive.

My (barely) used Chromebook was only $100, so that made my decision so much easier at the time. As I work on more resources to play with (unfortunately work hasn't been good to me), I will look at these secure solutions with more interest. Economics always set the pace in life.

Now if anyone has some part time work opps (remote would be best), let's talk! Smile

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Go to your local dump, find the best PC you can, upgrade it and clean it up, wait for eOS Juno to release (shouldn't be much longer now, it's at Beta 2), install Juno, profit.

Until Juno releases, you could try Linux Mint 19. I find these two distributions to be the absolute best, followed only by Debian Stable, which you could try too.

Thieves that will attempt to directly take and ruin another's life are a special breed of people that belong in a special breed of hell. Here's hoping your financial situations make a fast and strong recovery.

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You're my kind of friend, N2K! Wink

Ironically, I've worked in information security in SFO's bay area and still I was targeted. It was like there's no stopping them. But to target one individual like that.. I mean I turned on the monitor and saw some of my mom's data as the cursor navigated inside my computer, the rage that gave me, I was in an uproar. I felt personally victimized, thinking, 'I try to be good to everyone always, only to see criminals inside my own computer, what gives?' It was a both a humbling and enraging moment for me.

But as much as I'm a true nerd, much like everyone in our 'Mac Cheers Bar', my spirit and dream is all about helping folks out. In my case, it's helping people going through emotional or financial crisis or loss, kids in the streets needing redirection. I even see myself one day in healthcare working in the natural medicine field. My tech consulting took a huge hit and I haven't been able to ramp up for some reason, so I'm stepping back and reassessing my goals going forward. At least I can Uber and working at my local grocery store to help fill the gaps.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

Not to offend, but if the criminals were remotely navigating your documents, what was stopping you from unplugging your computer and extracting the hard drive to be 100% satisfiably secure? Surely, you couldn't just stand there and helplessly watch?

I know. It's defeating to see criminals always get their way, live longer, influence everything that happens within society, and meanwhile all the good folks have to end up dying of cancer at 60. As time passes, I've got this growing opinion that humanity is essentially split between two sides, good and evil, and you just see so many examples of this on a daily basis. It's horrific.

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Well... Slow and steady wins the race, right? A lot of people don't even have the opportunities to recuperate themselves by working two jobs, and thank God that's not the case here. So again, I wish you a swift recovery.

Open source, natural medicine, personal stories... It's great to be here. You people are fantastic.

Do you know a lot about natural medicine yet, or are you still learning?

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Well, mom's name and details we're on-screen as soon as I turned the server monitor on in the closet. I froze momentarily as the magnitude of what I couldn't believe I was seeing hit me; those seconds were endless. I immediately yanked the power cord out of the socket. I was in shock, with a million, mostly unanswered, questions flying through my mind.

Frankly, I'd mostly given up on quite a few dreams. In '09 I was on my way out, I was horribly sick but doctors were mostly useless in helping me find any answers, so I looked for them myself. I cut out so much from my diet, looked for other things like mold, allergies, the list was quite long. The only real answers I got were from natural medicine practitioners who worked out quite a number of things. That coupled with some of my personal findings which helped me regain my health back gave wings to my passion to help others get out of their health ruts or crisis.

I'd love to be able to study under a family friend who specialized in natural medicine and now teaches it as well, I just have to see how to make that work since he's in Guatemala. My folks have a place there, but they don't stay there year-round there yet. We'll see what happens with it all; that's why having some remote work would really help me make that happen.

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I understand. That kind of realization can be an incredible one.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Doctors usually prove useless, and many times, can get you sicker. They're only good for emergency situations, like having a broken bone or some kind. I've seen and heard a great many times of vaccinated people being the only ones that get sick, but not so for the ones who don't buy into reliance on the medical establishment and just keep their immune systems up instead. What do they show for it? No problems on their side.

A family member and I can relate. There's so much poison contained within modern food (wheat's a big one), it's just ridiculous. There's a ton we can't eat or do anymore, and I've had other family members with similar ailments travel to Europe and come back to tell us that while they can't eat American bread for instance, they can eat Italian bread just fine. Well, maybe that's because for one, glyphosate is banned in other countries. But America? Saturated with it. We've got explosions of people with celiac disease and wheat allergies because the food is full of all kinds of pesticides and crap that we don't know about, that all our bodies are obviously reacting to, all conveniently around the same timeframes. Why? Well, evidently, something must be inherently and orchestratively wrong here. Luckily, I believe an increasing amount is starting to pick up on this. Given that, we'll see what happens down the line.

Anyway... This is probably a topic for another day. Putting that aside, I'm sure you'll be able to contact your guy in Guatemala and hopefully somewhere along the line secure some work to pick yourself back up.

Good luck, my sir. You'll get through it.

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Heard.

Gluten, yes, that one went first (I too was fine eating wheat products in Guatemala and in 2012 in Europe), and (not) surprisingly, dairy was my most recent culprit (either casein or lactose).. and casein's diabetes/breast cancer connection should make everyone run from it anyway since it's basically indigestible therefore toxic to our bodies.. like you said, for another day my friend!

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Thanks for the pointer to purism, N2000!
I wander how (if) Librem laptops got around Intel ME, AMT and the other acronyms.
The Al-hat fraction would say that one of the three letter organisations made Intel implement Minix for the sole purpose of spying on us. A network stack and web server running on ring -2 with every fairly recent laptop/desktop, who will use that?
Nice summary here, outdated, but nothing changed since: https://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/
The hardware switch is a nice gadget for sure, my T60 has one too, but what if a second OS is running on your rig with its own MAC address that you can´t power off?
@m68k: Is that the really new stuff you were looking for? Wink

Elementary OS is sure nice to have, especially for vintage hardware.
Did you come across a decent email client similar to Apple Mail eventually?
I would miss Mail much. Hopefully the usual suspects of the Hackintosh scene will find a way to run Mojave on HD3000 laptops.

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That is interesting, and I've wondered that too, especially with their banter about "free components that don't spy on you" and how their hardware is open and owned by you... Or maybe I'm confusing them with Raptor Computing a little too much...

From experience, the one most similar to Apple Mail would likely be Geary Mail (which eOS has a custom fork of, I believe), and the one most similar to Microsoft Outlook is Evolution, GNOME's default suite. Both clients have their own styles but are similarly great to use. I've had no troubles with them. On the flip side, Epiphany is very similar to Safari. Both engines are WebKit-based, they're minimalistic, and share other similar design aspects. Great browser. For music, Rhythmbox is also very similar to older versions of iTunes. I think it's also great.

What I'm saying is that there are a lot of drop-in Apple replacements to choose from.

Going back to email clients, there's also Mozilla Thunderbird, but I'm trying to distance myself from Mozilla as well.

Here's an excellent article that gives a very good explanation. https://www.activistpost.com/2017/08/mozilla-joins-george-soross-efforts...

Given that, Waterfox is a good drop in replacement for Firefox. No ties to Mozilla. Or Google, of course Wink (putting default search engine options aside). https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/