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What new APPLICATIONS would you like to see uploaded to Macintosh Garden?

Although there is a games request list, there should be an application request list.

I want to put in a request for HyperStudio 4 and "Snow", an ancient (System 6) program that created trees (you know, make a Y and add Vs?)

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Macromedia Extreme 3D. I never used version 2, but version 1 has the tendency to crash when adding lights. For modeling, however, it was very user-friendly and the rendering engine was quite good.

Another 3D program I would like to see here is Cinema 4D XL V6. It's not user friendly and has bigger system requirements, but it's very stable and worth having.

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I know this will cause some controversy, but I would love to see Adobe PageMaker 6.52 on this site. I know Adobe still "sell" (haha) PageMaker 7.0 (which is only 6.52 and some clipart really) to corporate buyers. I don't know why they bother, as InDesign and Quark XPress have a stranglehold (99%) of the graphic design market now... Still, I think it would be a nice addition to the site, and I have the full installers if needed.

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I know it's an old post, but there were a few reasons I preferred PageMaker to InDesign (and still do in some ways).

One example is the awful kludgy layering system in InDesign. In PageMaker you could easily just select on object that was below a text box / frame since the click in an empty area would understand you wanted the object below the text box / frame. If you wanted to select the text box / frame itself, you would click on some of its content.

InDesign you have to perform a bit of extra mucking about to select objects below a text box / frame because even clicking in an empty area of the text box / frame always selects that, not what is visible below.

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MacWise, I have plans to post the entire MacroMedia Studio, if time and upload speed improve. The version I have is the entire 4-CD set (2xCD Mac & 2xCD PC). Been so long since I used this it may well be lost - but I should have the separate Extreme3D installer somewhere!

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is this Studio MX 2004 by any chance? I lost my discs But I did keep my license code. Please let me know. I would really appreciate it.

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How about C4D R8? Could that possibly be considered abandonware?

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Re: "Snow"

I remember this as an early screensaver DA, pre-After Dark, where it would start to snow on your 9" compact Mac, there was a Fir tree that you could drag around, and after a while Santa and his reindeer would glide across the screen. I think it even played a jingle when he came on screen.

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What a coincidence. I found an application called "Snow" on an old floppy disk just today. It doesn't have any Santa or trees, it just makes snow come down from the top of your screen and plays a little tune. Is that what you mean? I could upload it if you want it.

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There's a good chance that I have Snow on some archive CD with all my family's old floppies. Once I have a bit more time I can upload lots of stuff to Mac Garden. Smile

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Carl,

I remember that version as well. Maybe that was the DA, and the app verson had Santa and the (one) fir tree. I still have it in my (floppy) disk image library.

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I found "Snow 2.0". Icon has snowflake, there's a "Tunes" folder, but I need to convert it to .dsk so vMac will read it.

EDIT: After struggling with the great mysteries of .DSK and vMac, the Readme proudly proclaims it's Fat binary.

And all it does it have snowflakes. I'm uploading it anyway. Still looking for the tree generator.

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@MacWise(and anyone else who's interested): I've uploaded Extreme 3D 1.0.0. Also includes 1.0.2 updater.

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Yeah I just saw it. You rock man. Cool

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I'd like to request the very first version of Adobe Acrobat Reader

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I was reading MacAddict and I saw a review for Redneck Publisher, which looks cool. Also on my lookout are older versions of Quark Xpress, newer versions of SuperCard, and of course, HyperStudio 4.

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I just uploaded HyperStudio 4, and SuperCard 4 will be up probably tomorrow. I've got SuperCard 3.5 also, if it's wanted.

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Please post the 256 color version of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade! Thanks in advance!

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Would be nice to see some maths software uploaded, I'm thinking of stuff like ...

mathcad 6 -> mathcad is still going - but all mac support has been abandoned.
theorist 2 -> abandoned - this one is really obscure.
maple 6 or higher -> maple is still going - but pre osx support has been abandoned.
mathematica 3 -> mathematica is still going but again classic support has been scrapped.
...

--these are all very very rare!

plus any others you can think of.
- eg. is there a vers. of "macsyma" for macintosh
- i know it's now open source for os x
- but i'm thinking that there may be an old vers. for os7 etc.?

Thanks in advance.

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I may have a version of Theorist, probably 1.0.x.

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Hey Balrog,

Was Theorist the maths typesetting/solving application?

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1) perhaps this topic "Most Wanted" could be a 4th Forum subtopic - presumably each heading would be the name of the game/app and each reply would be specific to it - replies could perhaps include links - would cut down on the random browsing .... which I will do anyway, of course

2) some stuff I'm looking for - Ballade (from Dynaware - MIDI app)
- old BIAB (ie. Band-In-A-Box .. abandonware/legality issues, perhaps...?)

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Good idea. I'm making a list of GAMES I want, but the list is kind of long....

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Post your list of wantd games, I'd much rather upload stuff people actually want than random apps.

Just out of respect of all the effort we put in to upload stuff, please check your list against what is already on the site.

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Hi every one

I'm really glad to see this on web.

I'm really interested by all audio/mmidi applications.
Mainly Native Instrument Pro five (than i have but unable to install on mac higher than OS 8.1 because of CD file system unrecognised).

I can if you need upload Cubase 5 (the old one) and if is permited because it needs crack.
I alse got Cubasis(that does not exist anymore) than i can upload. Tell me if you are interested and how to proceed.

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I see that we have Adobe PhotoShop 5.0 uploaded. Photoshop 5.5 was just an update, and still falls well before the pre-Mac OS X timeframe, if anyone has a copy.

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I see that the current Mathematica page mumbles something about:

"Mathematica 1.2.2 ran on Mac OS 6 and Mac OS 8. The developer has requested this version to be removed."

Does any one know how old this is? I was thinking about uploading 2.2.2 (which is 68000 code).

Oh never mind, I found it. 2009 June. I can hardly believe they are ichy about version 1 still. That's so old! It's not like they support SSW 7 anymore. Well no point in making extra work for maedi.

bummer.

Edit: Replaced 'xxx7' with 'SSW 7' - IIGS User

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macmeister, it's weird, just recently, I talked to three different people who still prefer PageMaker to InDesign. The reasons were quite emotional: the one said he simply does not like InDesign despite its excellent typography. The second one just hated all Adobe products and said PageMaker is better because it originally was developed by Aldus and not Adobe. The third one just recenty 'rediscovered' PageMaker and loved it. Here is a provocative comparison between InDesign and PageMaker
http://www.coolmacintosh.com/indesignvspagemaker020903.html

Also, PageMaker needs much less RAM than InDesign which is important for people with old hardware. That might be one of the reasons why Adobe keeps selling PageMaker. The thing is: if you buy PageMaker you are entitled to a cheap upgrade of InDesign. The sum of both PageMaker and the discounted InDesign upgrade is about the same as buying InDesign only. So, there might be marketing reasons why Adobe keeps on selling PageMaker.

I would be careful in declaring PageMaker dead. Look at Ready, Set, Go! It is still sold and, from what I have heard, has still an interesting market share in the Middle East. And you know what the ME Version of InDesign costs. Maybe somewhere outside the Anglo-Saxon World and continental Europe PageMaker still has a market. Who knows?

Since you said yourself that PageMaker 6.5.2 almost the same as PageMaker 7.0 there might be serious legal problems with declaring the 6.5.2 version abandonware. As you know, the legal understanding of abandonware is hotly disputed. Abandonware has a claim of cultural preservation. But I am not sure whether the 6.5.2 version is already in need of cultural preservation since the almost similar 7.0 version is still sold by Adobe.

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I'd love to have FrameMaker (any version) for its footnote capabilities and many international dictionaries. This great application is very hard to get nowadays. It's a shame that Adobe abandoned it for the Mac.

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What if? What if...? This software is MONUMENTALLY OLD, and although you can still USE it, I doubt you would have any success whatsoever if you took a PM6.5 file to a professional printer. You could probably take Quark XPress 6.x+ or InDesign 2+ files and have LIMITED success, but PM6.52 is a dinosaur.

It was released late 1996 (14 YEARS AGO), updated in 1997 then promptly forgotten. There is no upgrade path to 7.0, and absolutely no support. Just because it is similar in many ways [6.5 is VERY similar to 3.0] it does not make it the same program.

I believe with all my heart that this version of Pagemaker qualifies in all respects as abandonware, and I stand by that assertion.

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OK, let's admins decide. If they don't like the upload they probably will archive the files.

What I find much more interesting as abandonware is NoteMaker. This was a footnote helper for PageMaker 6 by Jonathan Bressel. See http://www.makingpages.org/pagemaker/pm-faq.html
I mailed Jonathan asking if he still sells the script. He did noch reply; so I guess the thing is abandonware.

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Trax - a MIDI sequencer. I have copies of a few songs that were practiced over and over without headphones (which greatly annoyed the rest of us at the time). Only one or two were exported to standard MIDI file format, and nothing else can open this format. Wikipedia has the only screenshot of any version of this, as far as I know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trax_(sequencer)

Retrieve It! - a file search utility. My dad had an early version of this that was far faster than the OS's find command, and could search in files, with boolean operators. The early logo was a cheetah. Later versions were distributed by Claris Corp. under the Claris Clear Choice label, with the logo changed to a dog, and the added ability to search the internet. Latest known version is 2.6b2, which apparently saw limited distribution after official updates stopped. The following page has a writeup, and some comments from users who claim that it still outstrips Sherlock:
http://www.atpm.com/3.03/page10.shtml

Edit - I forgot to say that I actually managed to get a boxed copy of one of Claris' releases of this, new in shrinkwrap, a few years ago. Alas, the install disk is not high-density, and my Mac IIsi is bricked, so I can't produce a copy.

Edit2 - InfoWorld has a review of this dated 1994.01.10 (page 101), with a bit of comparison to PrarieSoft's DiskTop. Evil-length URL follows.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8joEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA101&ots=63UQ1icbZ-&dq=%2B%22retrieve%20it!%22%20(mac%7Cmacintosh%7Cmacos)%20(find%7Csearch%7Cfinding%7Cfinds%7Csearching%7Csearches)%20files%20disks&hl=ja&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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I've found a program called Trax (or rather two of them) on old MacFormat magazine cover CDs. Both appear to be shareware. One is a sound app, which I hope is the one you are after. The other is a demo only of a graphics app.

Trax weighs in at 560KB uncompressed, dated from 1997. Does this sound about right ?

Alas, no sign of Retieve It. But then I've not indexed all my floppy disk images, nor CD/DVD images past 2003. Find Text v1.3.5 was the Find tool of choice for many. Google should turn up a download of this. I loved it.

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I have a copy of Can Opener, which is a pretty cool tool for ripping out pics/sounds/data from inside apps/files. I always used MacUser's FindPro (zdnet?), which was freeware, and blindingly fast!

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I remember a review of Can Opener, it is very welcome here. Smile
(please wrap it into .img.sit before uploading, but if it comes on CD, .cdr.zip is also OK).

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A couple of apps i'd like to see are Sorenson Squeeze 2 or 3 (last OS9 version) and FutureBASIC 3. Futurebasic 4 is now freeware, so i'm sure FB3 is fair game. As for Squeeze, well

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"Claris BrushStrokes" please. Circa 1992? This was a bitmap editing program which could accept Photoshop (2.x) plug-ins. I used to have a copy of this but have lost it over the years. IIRC it was rather buggy and Claris dropped support for it fairly quickly (I don't think there was ever a version 2). Still, I enjoyed using it back then.

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I've got the demo version, on the cover disc of issue 1 of The Mac. I'm sure it also came as a freebie with a MacFormat disc (I remember the cover art), but it's not in my DiskTracker lbrary.

Still the demo ca be loaded up if it's od any use.

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I'm going to post DiskTop 4.5, update to 4.5.2 and serial shortly (next few days). I thought it was already posted, but is not visible under Apps.

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If anyone has an OS 9 compatible, PPC Pascal compiler, that would be very cool!

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> If anyone has an OS 9 compatible, PPC Pascal compiler, that would be very cool!

Perhaps this topic has something useful for you:
http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/good-ide-mac-os-9
Look for freepascal.org comments.

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Thanks for the reply Mike Garden. Unfortunately, the OS 9 version is no longer available.

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> Thanks for the reply Mike Garden. Unfortunately, the OS 9 version is no longer available.

Sorry about that. I should've read the fine print Sad

Perhaps the Pascal compiler for Classic Mac, the older Think Pascal 4.5d4 which can be downloaded from Pascal Central http://pascal-central.com/ will be a safer bet?
The Think Pascal downloads are on the Tools page http://pascal-central.com/tools.html There is also a link there for the Think Pascal patch to get this to work on Mac OS 8.5 and newer.

Hope thats a more useful suggestion Smile

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Once again, thank you for the reply, Mike Garden. I've been using MPW Pascal for 68K code, and am quite happy with it, in spite of it's quirks. But I was hoping to find a compiler for PPC code.

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Have been looking for the application "Type Resolve" recently. Anyone got it?

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Mmm, I have something called Type Resolve v2.0.1, from one of the very first MacFormat cover discs in 1994 (although the app is dated April 93). It looks like a shareware utility. Could this be right ?

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I think that is exactly it!

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Type Resolve v2.0.1 added.

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Thanks, Bertyboy!

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truebasic for 68k mac from early 1990s.

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Can this be moved to the Requests board?