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What can you do with a couple of LCs running System 6?

Hey folks. I work at a university and have got access to a stash of old LCs. These macs were used for one of our physiology pracs and were used by students in this class up until 2011! They've finally been retired and as it's the holidays at present, I have a bit of flexibility in my schedule and I thought I'd get them out and have a play with them. (And of the three LCs, two are still working.)

Thing is, apart from data recording apps used in the prac, they haven't really got any software on them at all. Is there anything fun I can do on a couple of LCs running 6.0.7? Any Easter eggs I can try out? Anything at all?

BTW, it seems inevitable that the dept. will get rid of these machines sooner or later and I will suggest to them that I can take them off their hands. There's a lot of extra vintage gear floating around too, and I would be happy to offer it to you guys for free/cost of postage. ie. There are 7 monitors, 12 Apple Keyboard II, 6 or so Apple Desktop Bus Mouse, some original software disks for MacLab and Macintosh Basics Tour and loads of cords.

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Temporary Joe's picture
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If you installed System 7.1, I think, you could do the secret about box trick. Plus System 6.x has all sorts of games, many of which break in 7.x.

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Someone hacked the Secret About Box out of the System software, and it's available separately since then.
Don't know if it runs on 6.x as well.

Some games and applications are broken since Mac OS 7.5 (I remember Deluxe Music Construction Set
and the b/w version of Battle Chess.

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What can you do with a couple of LCs running System 6?

One useful task for any old Mac with a working built-in floppy disk drive, is archiving original floppy media with Disk Copy 4.2 (and uploading them to the Garden) Wink

In your dept. also check for other interesting obsolete computing parts. If you come across any Asanté badged, EN/SC "Ethernet to SCSI" bridges, grab 'em. These were fairly common in labs etc, back in the day to network computers like the LC, but are now very rare.

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What are the actual specs on the machines in terms of RAM and HD size?
If you can get them running 7.1 or 7.5 there are hundreds of games and applications here that you can run. The SCSI HDs if working are quite valuable as no 50 pin SCSI drives have been manufactured for quite some time.

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Thanks for the comments guys. Just to clarify, I'm unable to add any software or do any system upgrades at the moment - I've got an LC set up in our lab to play with in my lunch break, but I can't undertake any major projects.

In regards to the other parts, there are 3 or 4 MacLab Bridge Amps exactly like the one being sold here: (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ADINSTRUMENTS-MACLAB-BRIDGE-AMP-/330673624746). And we have about seven MacLab/4 units exactly like the one being sold here: (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACLAB-ANALOG-DIGITAL-INSTRUMENTS-/271425264253)

Not really sure if they are of any practical use.

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The original LC, and the LC II, are pretty pokey. They're a lot better than nothing, but an SE/30 or even a IIsi is quite a bit better.

They make good units to test SCSI hardware which is suspect (because if it blows up the SCSI chip, ahh well at least it wasn't a Portable or something valuable), RAM SIMMs (because you can test them in pairs, plus they've got metal retainers instead of those stupid plastic ones), good for dumping floppy disks (an original LC can run two FDDs), good for kids (speed is optional), and probably a few other minor things.

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Director's ancestor, VideoWorks II, should run nicely on that hardware: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/videoworks-ii Should be color capable too, which is one thing the LC has over an SE/30.

You will want to get the capacitors on the logic board changed, soon, as I think the LC was one of several Macs that suffered from a bad batch of electrolytic capacitors. If you're already seeing the zebra stripes at startup, also known as Simasimac, replace them VERY SOON: http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~shamada/fullmac/repairEng.html#SimasiMac

68k MLA has a guide showing what to buy, but no image showing where the caps should go for your specific model: http://wiki.68kmla.org/Capacitor_Replacement#Macintosh_LC_.28630-0309-.29

I've had a great experience working with this man: http://maccaps.com/MacCaps/Repair_Service.html

If you'd like to stick with System 6, which is likely the best OS for that hardware, QuickTime 2.5 runs fine under it. You'll just have to grab Simple Player from an earlier version, as MoviePlayer won't run under System 6. (HINT: The QuickTime Beta CDs have a version that works very nicely, with a cat-friendly about box)

You might also want to consider upgrading to 6.0.8 at some point in time. Apple hosts all the floppies in both 800K and 1.44MB sized flavors, you'll just have to grab a stack of floppies from Amazon or get your hands on a FloppyEmu from the 68k MLA forums: http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html (the files you want are SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea.bin and SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea.bin)

HyperCard 2.4 runs great, too, and it's QuickTime capable. There's a ton of great stackware out there, though I've had to get my fingernails dirty through some of the compilation CDs on this site to find them: https://web.archive.org/web/20090414135532/http://smackerel.net/black_wh...

Scarab of RA, the original MacPaint, WriteNow 4.0, Adobe Illustrator 88, Deneba Canvas 3.5.4, Minotaur (multiplayer), Bolo (ditto), Uninvited, both Deja Vu games, Shadowgate, and for the sake of fun, DeskCritters (easy to find), Wesleyan Tetris, Hidden Agenda, The Colony, Journey, and Spectre VR are all good choices for a System 6 Mac.

There's so much more to discover out there, but that should be a good start.

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Here are some other games you can play on LCs:
Maelstrom
Chiral
Apeiron
Swoop (I think...)
Spaceway 2000
Prince of Persia (possibly the sequel too)
Space Quest IV
King's Quest V