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UnderWare Screensaver -- $$ REWARD $$

Hey Everyone,
Like everyone here, I feel that vintage software should be preserved, like any important historical artifact. I've been lucky to have found many of the applications I've wanted. However, there is one thing I have yet to find, even after scouring every corner of the internet for over 5 years. It's a screen saver many here are familiar with called "UnderWare" by a company called BitJugglers. Several years ago another user here (pagan) was kind enough to share UnderWare 1.0, which satisfied me for a little while (you can read the thread here: http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/request-underware-screensaver). But, as noted in that thread, we've yet to find a copy of UnderWare version 2.0 FULL (registered). It was never incredibly popular (unlike AfterDark, my favorite), but it was known enough that several others here remember it.

So, I'm posting this request again and this time I'm adding an incentive: a CASH REWARD / BOUNTY! I assume UnderWare couldn't have cost more than $20 originally, so I'm offering 5 times that:

$100 US dollars -- paid via PayPal or Money Order, whichever you prefer. Half up front, half on delivery.

A hard copy, box, etc would be INCREDIBLE, but is NOT REQUIRED -- I will happily take a software only copy (as long as I can get a serial number, which I MAY already have). If you do have a hard copy, I will pay for shipping from anywhere in the world in addition to the reward.

The MOMENT I get it I will post it here for everyone. The only exception would be if the person who sells it to me asks that I not share it for some reason, which I would respect.

If you don't want the money yourself, I will donate the it to Macintosh Garden to help cover server costs (I wish I could donate more, but I'm just a web software developer and am not made of money, even though this post may make it seem I am).

Screen savers are my favorite "old-world" computing memory. I never had UnderWare when it was new (didn't know of it), but some of my fondest computer memories are of AfterDark. The reason I love screen savers is because they were so whimsical, unique, witty and cool. They were simple yet so cool and interesting. Like many things with computers, they were an incredible creative outlet, and are, also like so many other things (eg great games), a lost and unappreciated art in today. To me, they the Sistine Chapel of the modern world. In terms of appeal, I would liken UnderWare and others to the old Maxis "Sim" games like SimTower, SimFarm, etc. They existed when making a flashy, seemingly "impressive" 3D rendering, etc wasn't an option. To make something great required skill -- you had to concentrate on the subject matter, creativity, playability and depth. You had to find ways to do more with the limited computer resources you had. Nowadays authors can just hide behind 3D graphics to obfuscate the fact that they're just recreating the same old tired, shallow ideas -- they aim for the common "technical proficiency" checklists reviewed in today's world. That's why I gave up on new video games years ago.

The reason I'm so hung up on UnderWare specifically is because it was such so unique, mostly because it allowed you use a screen saver as your desktop background. Also many of the modules interact with icons and other elements on your desktop (icons grow legs, etc).

I hope you all can help me end this infinite quest.

By the way, I am also looking for any AfterDark modules (Mac or PC) (esp. 3rd party). Unfortunately I lost many of my modules before I started collecting software. If anymore has any AfterDark modules (Mac / PC) I'd be very interested.

Thanks for your time everyone.

Dylan Marsh

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Argh. I know this was on a CD-ROM Today disk at one point, but I don't know where I put those. Anyone know what disc it was on?

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The full & not a demo copy? If it was on a CD-ROM Today disk it is likely to be a demo of this screensaver.

Dylan's generous offer may uncover the seemingly impossible. My best wishes for his success.

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Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in this! I really hope I find this not just for myself but for the entire community. Many of you that haven't seen this awesome software would love it if you saw it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were on a compilation CD, though I don't think it was ever "wildly" popular, it was somewhat well known. I agree that it could possibly be a demo if it were, but who knows -- if there's even a remote chance I'll take it.

Keep digging through you old boxes guys! I really want to give somebody this $100!

Thanks everyone!

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Do dusty old CDs full of pirated stuffit files count?

DOH!

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@themacmeister: They very well may, what do you have? Most anything screen saver related I'm interested in. And any kind of "un-common" applications and games (as in those not available here). Obviously if you've got a copy of UnderWare 2.0 I'm interested, but even if you had some other cool stuff I don't have I may throw you a few bucks to burn me a copy or send it to me. I'd be happy to take the time to upload it here for everyone (I would have already if I had anything not here already).

You know you said "pirated", which of course is technically true in many cases here, but the way I look at it like this: For something to be "pirated" it would have to still be commercially available, and serve some modern purpose other then a hobby. I'm sure most here agree with that philosophy, and I think it's silly that some people get all bent out of shape about abandonware that's 10+ years old. Trust me, I'd gladly pay way more then the original price for UnderWare if BitJugglers was still around.
I'm a software developer, so I understand why pirating modern software is a problem, but all we're doing here is trying to preserve something. I'm not preaching to you by the way, I just like to voice my opinion on the subject Smile.

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They were pirated at the time I burned them Smile

If you would like, I can send you a listing of my backup CDs (about 20), most files stuffit compressed, so quite a lot of software. I have lost one or two CDs dues to age, but most files are retrievable.

If I stuff my Disk Wizard 2.0 library, and send you a copy of DW2 with it, you should have no problems browsing/searching. Send me a personal email with your real email address, and I'll send you a copy (with my real email address). Cheers.

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Humm i just found in my tapes catalog a file named underware 1.0.1/2.0/2.0.1.sit, i will have to extract it and verify the contents. If it is what it is.. is it still needed?

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oh wow, that sounds very promising indeed. Will forward an email to dylansm21.

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Ok i just tested the software. It is indeed underware 2.0 plus 2.0.1 patch. After install and restart, It just asks for personalization information, no serial number. I am just figuring out this site, i would like to send him the file and let him have the pleasure to upload it here. I'm onto the MacWrite II request right now.

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Oh my god that's so awesome! I really can't believe someone actually found it but it sounds like you absolutely did! But I'm not going to get my hopes up too high until I check it out Smile.

Yes it is absolutely still needed desperately! How would you prefer to transfer it? You could attach it to an e-mail and send me a StuffIt (.sit) version of the file. Or I can give you a site where you can upload it through your browser and then I'll go download it. Or any other way, however you want to do it we'll figure it out.

My e-mail is:
webdev.dylan@gmail.com

Thanks so much for taking the time to look into this!

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...I really can't believe someone actually found it but it sounds like you absolutely did! But I'm not going to get my hopes up too high until I check it out...

... so how did this find turn out? Was it the "real thing" or just another version 2.0 demo?

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Yes it was the real thing, he also asked for my permission to upload it but it seems he is taking his time. He was so excited that i hope he didn't die from the emotion Wink If you feel that this file is a must and can't wait any longer i can upload it but i ask in return help with screenshots, i only have black and white macs right now, i am fixing the power supply from my IIsi, my powermac 7500 is a mess, i have lots of color duos but it's a real pain in the a** to transfer files to those macs and i don't want to fiddle with emulation right now. Or uploading it as secondary file in the current underware page, but some editing and additions must be done there.

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Mac Garden DELIVERS!!!

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Does anybody else have another $100 dollars to spare?
I like this game!

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@Euryale:
We need to pledge that. Smile

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@macjames: A resounding "Yes Please!" Upload it to its own page and I will do the screenshots for it, with much thanks.

Good luck on getting the IIsi back on track (tinkering about with PSU's, brrrr). I recently gave my beige G3 an ATX PSU transplant, but this was a simple straight swap, the only Mac this is possible with I think.

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There you go. Enjoy!

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Not related to underware but the IIsi is back alive. At last a machine that i can delete at will to test uploads and make screenshots.

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hmmm, I used to use a IIcx and IIci, is the IIsi a similar box? (68030 + FPU?)

streamlined case, 20MHz 68030+FPU, microphone -> US$3800

Thanks Mactracker.

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Back in the time, if you couldn't afford a IIci the Iisi was the best option. It is also around 2/3 the height of a Iici or cx. If you want FPU you need to install the nubus or pds adapter card. It was part of the "new" line of apple: 68000 Mac Classic, 68020 MacLC or 68030 MacIIsi. Also, the StyleWriter made its debut.

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@macjames: Congratulations at getting the IIsi up and running again! I also had one of these Models. It had a 10 Mbit ethernet card and an FPU, which I think was also located on the ethernet card, plus it came with a mono Macintosh Portrait display which gave a full page document display in 8bit grayscale. I got mine as a hand-me-down from a friend and have since passed it on.

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Hey guys! Sorry I wasn't able to get this uploaded faster, I had to go out of town on business a day or two after I got it and have just now returned. I knew there were a few others interested but I didn't realize demand was so high! It took me 5 years to find and now that I have it, I can honestly say it was worth it. Finally getting it was a kind of "serendipitous" story. When Macjames sent this to me he explained that when he saw my post here, it triggered a memory from many years ago of a file he had in one of his tape backups. He remembered thinking of it as "Underwear" instead of "Under Ware" (as I always have) and that's why he remembered it.
So in part we have its cleaver name to thank for having it. But more then that, we have Macjames to thank. He rescued it from possible complete extinction and graciously ended a long and desperate search. So I'm glad that he was the one to post it because he deserves all the credit.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart (for the 10th time) Macjames! You're a great guy.

I wanted to test it on OS 8, 9 before posting it as well, but I don't have quick access to them. I would appreciate it if someone would let us know the compatibility status on those versions.

It can be slightly quirky to setup on some machines so I've provided some information below in the hope that others will tinker with it and get it working (before giving up).

Important notes and tips

  • MOST IMPORTANT -- Do NOT even attempt to use this without running the included 2.0.1 updater FIRST! You WILL have problems with the cursor disappearing. Don't complain about it because they immediately fixed it in the update.
  • The Desktop Animation feature is the best part and is enabled by default. There's a possibility you will have minor issues with this feature. Adjusting the settings (click "Options" when viewing the desktop animation "tab") will fix most of these (it's worth it). Try the following:
    • Adjust the size of the invisible "window" that displays the animations on the desktop from "full screen" to a lower size to reduce CPU load and make animations smoother.
    • Adjust the "Tile" menu (if not using "full screen" mode) to further reduce load (this works like "tiling" of normal desktop pattern)
    • Choosing "Fill Screen" under the "Tile" menu achieves almost the same look as real "Full Screen" mode, but with significantly lower CPU usage (recommend option for most machines)
    • Check the "256 Colors Max" box to greatly further reduce load (doesn't negatively effect appearance much)
    • Disabling "Play Sounds On Desktop" is recommend both for resource and irritation purposes
    • Resources required depend heavily on the selected module -- choosing another often increases performance (particularly with desktop animation)
    • The desktop animation feature is the one most likely to cause issues -- while everyone should try it, if you find your system unstable when using it, disabling it should allow you to continue using Under Ware as a screen saver without causing instability
    • Note that if desktop animations do cause problems, disabling them in the control panel should resolve it -- you shouldn't need to actually remove the Under Ware INIT and CDEV (preventing you from using it at all)
  • Please completely disable ALL other screen saver software
  • Note that all Under Ware modules can be used both as a screen saver as well as desktop animation
  • Look for the clever use of real desktop icons as props in many of the modules (another feature [almost] exclusive to Under Ware)
  • It can also run most After Dark v2.0 modules (possibly > v2.0 but unconfirmed) but only as screen savers (unfortunately not as desktop animations)

Operation System Support

  • Known to work flawlessly on Mac OS 7.1 to 7.6.1 (sorry System 6)
  • OS 8 compatibility is suspected but not yet confirmed
  • OS 9 compatibility is doubtful but again not yet confirmed
  • Works great in Sheep Shaver (support for other modern emulators is likely but unconfirmed)
  • It can clash with a few certain extensions, but most of the common extensions seem fine

If anyone has any questions or problems running it, please post here so I can help you troubleshoot it and document the issue if needed.

Edit: Sorry, due to external robots changed 'xxx 7' to 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User

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You're alive! I thought that you had a heart attack from the excitement! When i extracted the file from the tape i installed it on OS 8.1. It ran fine but i didn't play with it as deep as you. I made another install on a mac SE/30 and left it running for two days straight, under 7.5.5. It was very responsive on it i must say, any kind of activity inmediately stops the desktop animations so you can work without any penalty on the performance, and that mac runs at just 16 MHz! I didn't patch it, but i can't remember having the dissapearing cursor issue. Anyway, you're all welcome!

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Haha it seriously did get my pulse up to a dangers level when I first opened that file you sent me. I was trying to manage my expectations because I've had about 5 other "false starts" of people e-mailing it or finding it online. They all ended as either being the demo or the updater, etc -- one of them was e-mailed to me and it really looked like it was legit (and may have been), but the resource fork had been stripped! That one about killed me. When you first sent it I had to look at it like 5 times before I could completely believe it. I think it was like how it would feel to discover the holy grail or something. Anyway thanks for letting me know about 8.1, I'll update the download page. I'm impressed it ran at all on an SE/30 -- that desktop animation is pretty demanding. As you said though it's pretty good about not using CPU time when your moving the mouse. I didn't try it without the patch on 7.5 so it may not apply there.

Anyway thanks again for bringing it to us, I'll never forget this whole saga.

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Saga eh? Then it's just a matter of time before Peter Jackson makes the movie..