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"Underground" Tab.

Hi everyone, I have one idea for our site. And if you add the Underground tab, where there will be viruses for Mac OS, Hack Tools and much more. How do you like the idea?

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fogWraith's picture
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Personally I have mixed feelings regarding an "underground" section for the website.
The tools, regardless of what they are used for falls under applications, and therefore hold value in a historical sense, archiving and preserving these are of interest, of course.

Virii I honestly don't care for or feel like they have a place here, at least not right now.

What does "and much more" entail?

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Sounds to me like he wants an FMA section. I think all those old CDs are stored somewhere. Archive.org doesn't have them though.

While I do think there's merit in WDEF-A, nVIR-B and their like being stored and documented, as well as all the old hacking zines and smurfing tools etc, that place is probably not a public forum (except for maybe the zines). They are available already in more restricted settings. Simply submitting stuff to places like VirusTotal will ensure they get archived, as that sample feed goes to many many malicious software repositories.

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I like my garden w/o poisoneous snakes or hazardeous insects in 'em. I am one of those folks who actually install and use the software that is archived here.

MikeTomTom's picture
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I'd be more interested in seeing a dedicated "Buy, sell, or swap" forum, evolve.

m68k's picture
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Oh yes, that would be swell. Smile Also, I plan to do a 68k video project next and am looking for a better place than YouTube to host the results.

Bolkonskij's picture
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that sounds intriguing. How about adding it to Cornica? drop me a line Smile

adespoton's picture
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Hmm... maybe I should send you some of my stuff too -- unfortunately I haven't had much time to implement the docuseries I originally intended, but if you want to host this stuff, let me know:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1bqwhmNJZTU4i94j3z4K4A

Europa's picture
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I'd like this too, you never know when you'll need some specialized Mac hardware Wink

Jatoba's picture
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Virii and the like... I actually backed up what I could find of such items. I do feel a bit conflicted, because it's interesting to preserve history and software as a whole, but at the same time, I don't think such things belong to the Macintosh Garden. It's like preserving guns in a museum, but the guns are already loaded. Or like having Mein Kampf in a public library in Germany. Tongue

Overall, in my opinion, it's not a good idea. Maybe in some other website, managed by entirely different people? Just like how demoscene sites will host demos of all kinds for all platforms (*cough* with terrible storage options to actually succeed in preserving them *cough*), I'm sure the same is out there for such things, in case anyone is actually genuinely interested in the topic.

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What happens if such a virus made it into the other parts of the Garden? After all, plenty of files used to be infected here and it took people a lot of work to clean that up. Now imagine that someone downloads a virus infected file, plays around with it and infects his entire system - maybe w/o even knowing.

And then he uploads other stuff back to the Garden, that is now likewise infected. And there go the days of innocent play and joyfull bliss for all of us. Why invite disaster if you don't have to?

If someone wants a virus that badly, let him download stuff from a nameless Russian website or jump into the park and get sneezed at. Shock

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This is becoming more of an issue these days, as the AntiVirus companies are starting to cull their old Mac OS and DOS virus identities -- meaning you will find stuff that used to be detected is no longer detected by modern scanners. We can generally avoid most of this by running Disinfectant INIT, but yeah; more and more it's good to keep the malware well separated from the old software it used to infect.