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REALbasic 2006 wanted!

Me and fogWraith are working on some cool software for Mac OS 9 and earlier but we hit a roadblock.
Currently we are using REALbasic 2006r1 but it's far too buggy for something we can release.

We can't use anything earlier because the code is not compatible with any older version.

So now we need to find REALbasic 2006r2 to 2006r4, whatever is the last able to compile with "Mac OS Classic" as the target. Carbon builds are way to unstable to deal with.

I can't get to anything other than 2006r1 through archive.org. Does anyone here have 2006r2, r3 or r4 laying around?

Thanks!

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https://web.archive.org/web/20051210183319/http://www.realsoftware.com/d...

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Your post wasn't clear as to whether you wanted Toolbox builds or better Carbon builds.

REALbasic 2007r3 was the last version that could build for Mac OS 9 w/CarbonLib. I seem to remember that Carbon builds were pretty stable by then, but its been a long time. Also, by then anything/everything I was working on was for OS X.

Here's a link to 2007r3 at archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070818154402/http://www.realsoftware.com/download/

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I mean Mac OS Classic only builds, not carbon. I have REALbasic 2007r3 and the builds are very unstable compared to the Mac OS Classic only builds made with 2006r1. Too bad 2006r1 is buggy (icons not being added to Mac OS Classic binaries, copy and paste works sporadically at best in the IDE etc).

So I'm afraid 2007r3 is not what I'm looking for.
I wonder which version was the last to support Classic only builds. 2006r4 perhaps? I can't seem to find any info on this.

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I can't find out which version was the last to support Classic only (Toolbox) builds either. I also just tried to download 2006r4 and 2007r1 via archive.org and realized those pages were never saved. Frustrating...

Is there anything preventing you from working in a later version of the REALbasic IDE but opening 2006r1 for compiling? (Other than the pain of switching back and forth if you're primarily compiling for and testing on OS 9.)

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Hi,
REALbasic 2006Rx was the first versions of the new IDE built with REALbasic. I remember it well at the time and it was very buggy and very slow running on the same hardware as 5.5.

Have you considered V5.5.5? It was the last of the classic RB builds available and for me at the time was the most stable for classic.

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http://developer.xojo.com/deprecations

Seems 2007r3 was the last version to support native Mac OS 9.

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Only with CarbonLib. The deprecation page doesn't list the last version to support Toolbox builds. And Xojo only maintains archived IDEs on their site back to 2007r1.

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2007r1 might still have it though. I wonder where it is on the Xojo site. Do you have any idea, taylordesign?

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2007r1 builds require CarbonLib.

On Xojo's download page there's a link to archived releases. But you have to be logged in to download anything.

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True, my archived versions go back to 2007r1, but I'm sure I use it a bit longer already.

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I managed to find an old backup with the Windows versions of REALbasic 2006. I can confirm that REALbasic 2006r3 was the last version to build PowerPC Toolbox applications (Mac Classic Only in Build Settings).

The docs aren't very detailed as to requirements, but it looks like Toolbox builds require Mac OS 8 or higher. Using certain features or plugins might increase that.

The docs also mention that the last version to support 68K applications was REALbasic 3.5.2.

The bad news is that I don't think I have a backup with REALbasic 2006r3 for Mac. Also: the Windows version will not run on XP with all available updates. I'm not sure which update broke it, but to test it I had to install on a clean copy of Virtual PC with XP Version 2002, all on a Power Mac G5. None of my "modern" XP VMs on my MBP could run it.

I can't imagine that Xojo threw away archives of anything, so your best bet would be to contact them and ask if you can get 2006r3 for Mac.

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Wonderful! I'll just have to source 2006R3 then. Might be a good idea to try contacting Xojo directly.

EDIT: Just got an email back from Xojo. They will only let me access the downloads which I have a valid license for... which is none. They wont even let me download the trial version without it.

Does anyone here have a legit realbasic 2006 key and feel like emailing Xojo?
It would be great to be able to archive it here Smile

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Will they let you buy a current license and download 2006r3?

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Havent asked. Will do.

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So I mailed Xojo about buying a new Xojo license and download RB 2006 using it. They won't let me. The only answer I got is this: "We haven't offered Real Studio since 2013 and we don't have a way to offer trial versions. If you want to purchase Xojo, Xojo can open your RB code and you can update it to a modern version".

So I guess it's a dead end....

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That's ridiculous. They literally cannot find a .dmg of 2006r3 and generate a key for you? They're going to leave your money sitting in your wallet?

Question: is this project open source?

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They probably can, but they don't seem to want to. Buy Xojo or GTFO is the response I'm getting.
Right now I'd consider it freeware, but I'm looking for people to contribute if they want to.
Might open source it once I think it's more or less "finished" Smile

It's a BitTorrent client for Mac OS 9 btw.

EDIT:

I found it! Will upload ASAP Smile

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Really? Where did you find it?

I've looked high and low for the Mac version of 2006r3. My backups. Hard drives from a recent estate sale. (The guy actually had REALbasic on an old MacBook but not 2006r3. It was so frustrating because he had copies from around that time period.) MacAddict CDs at archive.org (it looks like 2006r1 was the last.) Every variation of search terms I could think of on Google.

You are a steely eyed missile man. Looking forward to the upload! Since this is the last version that could build Toolbox apps...and since the Windows version requires a very old copy of XP...it's definitely something I want on my G5.

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I found it on some strange chinese site. Just clicked random links until I got the download going on what seemed to be a REALbasic 2006r3 download page. The speed was around 2-5kb/s, so it took some time to get it.

I just finished uploading it to the garden. Can be found here now: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/realbasic-2006r3

Enjoy! And tell me if you want to help out with the BitTorrent client I'm working on Wink

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On this site:
www.wally.in
I found many older apps.

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Yes! That's the one Smile

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I know it's an old thread, so just for the purpose of documentation: REALbasic 2006 Release 3 was definitely the last REALbasic version to compile classic Mac OS Toolbox applications. This is documented in REALbasic 2006 Release 4's FAQ on universal binaries, cf. http://www.realsoftware.com/products/realbasic/universal_faq/:

The Build Settings dialog does not list Mac Classic as a Mac build option. Is Mac Classic support in REALbasic 2006 Release 4?

No. With the advent of Universal Binary support REAL Software has ended support for Mac Classic. You can still build applications for Mac OS 9 using the "Mac OS X and Mac OS 9" build setting. This option will build a Carbon application using the PEF executable format. If you need to build applications for Mac Classic please use an earlier release of REALbasic.

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This begs the question: what was the latest version of REALbasic to offer the "Mac OS X and Mac OS 9" build setting?

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As for getting a copy of R4, I found this: https://web.archive.org/web/20061016165248/http://www.realsoftware.com/d...

Unfortunately, archive.org doesn't appear to have stored the actual downloads. But the filename might help us search: https://web.archive.org/web/20061016165248/http://highspeed.realsoftware...

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@Jatoba: The last REALbasic version to include build capacity for Mac OS 8.6 and 9.x Carbon applications was REALbasic 2007 Release 3.