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PowerBook G3 boot issues

I have here a PowerBook G3 "bronze keyboard 400MHz". I also have a few Mac OS install discs, here I wanted to try 8.6 to test some picky games with. My 8.6 software install disc is for Mac DV Models only, not sure if that's the cause of my problem.

Originally my problem was Mac OS 8.6 (or 9.0.4) couldn't find my HDD, which I hadn't formatted. I used Disk Setup to format the drive with Mac OS Extended, so that's fine. I installed Mac OS 8.6, I restart and the computer won't boot from the HDD. The Mac OS install folder looks to be blessed appropriately, it has the folder icon and everything.

Did I not configure something right? I am rusty with fresh PPC Mac OS installs now.

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Are you able to boot by Open Firmware command?
boot hd:,\\:tbxi

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I'd rather not mess with the open firmware. I've tried holding D at the blinking Mac OS folder icon, doesn't help.

If I leave the Mac alone at that point, it will occasionally hold the Mac folder icon, the proceed to blinking and then eventually turn off. I guess it doesn't like the OS.

I should mention I'm not using the original HDD, I had to install a Fujitsu 40GB IDE drive from a Thinkpad.

EDIT: resolved by removing the jumper from the HDD. It may have been set to slave or cable select. This drive has a big aluminum skin stuck to it, covering some of the label, so I don't know for sure. Mac OS 9.0.4 boots on it, maybe I will try 8.6 later.

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Do you have a Lombard or a Prismo? Both are 400 Mhz bronze keybord books. Lombard boots into Mac OS 8.6, Prismo does not: Prismo needs Mac OS 9. To find out if you have a Prismo or a Lombard check in the back of our book if it has FireWire. If not, it's a Lombard, if yes it's a Prismo.

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No FireWire from the looks of it, so I guess it's a Lombard model. Sometimes I see Prismo spelled as Pismo, makes me think of beef tenderloin instead of a Macintosh. I think the fact I could install Mac OS 8.6 was already telling of the model though.

So nice to have resolved this problem, I haven't had a new iMac in forever so this is a real treat.

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What size and make HD? Stock would be a 6GB Fujitsu or Toshiba I think.
G3 Powerbooks don't like certain brands and don't like sizes smaller than stock.
The BOOT PROM doesn't support them.
For example the Wallstreet will only boot from Toshibas and Travelstars (IBM or Hitachi).

I would try my Powerbook G3 8.6 disk. I have used it successfully on both 333 and 400 MHz Lombards.
And "Pismo" is the correct spelling of the M7572 or Firewire model.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-install-cd-library

http://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/PBG3_86....

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40GB, I think it was Fujitsu, or maybe Hitachi.

It now works with this PowerBook G3 after removing the sole jumper.

Just now I tried installing Mac OS 8.6 again, it works fine. I tried one of my picky games (Nikolai's Pharaohs) and it works. I wonder how much older QuickTime is in 8.6 compared to 9.0.4 and 9.2.2.

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> I wonder how much older QuickTime is in 8.6 compared to 9.0.4 and 9.2.2.

Should be one major release (QT 5 with OS 8.6 and QT 6 with OS 9).

Gary

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Must have been set to cable select or slave. Should always be master on a Powerbook I believe.
The QuickTime control panel will tell you which version you are running (4?).
Installers for 5 and 6 are archived here if you want to update.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/quicktime-5
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/quicktime-603

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Yes most likely the drive was cable select or something.

I checked in my Mac OS 8.6 install, QuickTime is version 4.0. For now I don't want to use a newer version of QuickTime, though I guess I could try installing 5 or 6.0.3 just to see if that breaks Nikolai's Pharaohs.

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BTW:
PowerBooks G3 (Lombard included) are booting very fast from mSATA SSDs. More infos here:
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/27523-powerbook-1400c-and-msa...