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Penumbra games?

They're a trio of horror games made by Frictional Games AB (the future Amnesia devs) from 2007 to 2008. (all three came out the same year for Mac) Apparently, at least the first game (Overture) supports G3s according to MobyGames but the second (Black Plague) is listed as Intel-only. However the last one (Requiem) is listed with a universal binary, so maybe there's a chance that all three are UBs and there's some mislabeling?

Either way, all three make the 10-year rule (Requiem just barely); so maybe some day we might get to see them uploaded here.

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I'd like giving those 3 a try, never heard of them before. If they ever show up here, my G5 Quad is ready.

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They're still being sold on Steam and other sites so I dunno how the 10-year rules applies there. I have all of them as DRM-free downloads from bundles I bought.

I'll have to find the hard disk with Penumbra Collection on it to see if it's universal.

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A demo compatible with PPC is available here : https://download.cnet.com/Penumbra-Overture-Mac-Demo/3000-2097_4-1079373... version 1.0.3

DRM-Free GOG version is 1.1.1, dated 2015 and requires at least (Intel-only) 10.6.8. However, Steam version is older according to https://steamdb.info/depot/22182/manifests/ and should be compatible with 10.5.8 according to its Steam page. Furthermore, this page https://steamdb.info/depot/22182/ shows that there is no steam dylib in the "Frameworks" folder of the .app, implying that Steam version is DRM-Free (however, please keep in mind that it does not mean that the Windows Steam version is DRM-Free too). So, if anyone has this game on Steam, it MAY be compatible with a powerful enough PowerMac G5 if this release is not Intel-only. However, I don't have any Steam.app compatible with 10.5.8 anymore (only 10.6.8), so you would have to download this game on another computer and then transfer it to your PowerMac.

Steam system requirements are :

OS: Mac OS X 10.5.8 or newer
Processor: 2.0Ghz
Memory: 1024MB
Graphics: Radeon 9600/GeForce 4 (GeForce4MX not supported, Integrated graphics might not work.)
Hard Drive: 2.0GB

If you have programmer skills, you can compile Penumbra Overture for OS X 10.4 from sources using this guide https://frictionalgames.com/forum/thread-3592.html (but this is for Windows, you would have to adapt it to OS X). But you still would have to buy the game in order to obtains assets to use with the open-source version.

Conclusion : Penumbra should not be uploaded here.

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Conclusion : Penumbra should not be uploaded here.

Unless if that 10.5.8 Leopard Steam binary is confirmed to be Intel-only, case in which PPC versions, also being 10+ years old, could very well be uploaded here, with a Purchase Link directing to the Steam page for anyone wanting the Intel-compatible version. At the very least, that's what has been done here for every other app thus far that has been found to be under such a situation.

I think the same could also apply for versions of Penumbra that work with anything that predates 10.5.8 (i.e. Tiger) for the same reasons.

However, I do have to agree that if they are Universal Binaries (instead of PPC-only), the matter becomes a bit more delicate. In which case, using a 3rd party program to strip away the Intel code beforehand might be desirable. And, for proper archival, the non-stripped, full version could someday be uploaded here if enough conditions are met. (I.e. if those Universal binaries turn out to be incompatible with, say, Lion+, and the Steam/GOG requirements increase to Lion+. Or if the Steam/GOG versions stop being sold.)

Well, at the very least, that's how I perceive it, so those would be my two cents.

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I probably should've done some more research on this subject.
Either way, I can wait a few years...

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Is the Valve universe really something to consider regarding outdated Mac software, may it be PPC or UB? I would tend to doubt that, even more as Valve is not selling anything but rather leasing - or whatever the right term is for that kind of business plan?
To me Steam looks rather like a world of its own, segregated from computer gaming as it used to be.

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It would be a wise decision to wait a couple of years before uploading. The equation gets a bit messed up when Intel processors are thrown in.

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Man, once the initial versions of HL2/Portal for Mac fall under the 10-year rule in May of next year, that's gonna be a bit of a mess.

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>Unless if that 10.5.8 Leopard Steam binary is confirmed to be Intel-only, case in which PPC versions, also being 10+ years old, could very well be uploaded here

Well, not Penumbra: Overture because OS X 10.4 version is open-source, thus anyone possessing assets for this game (that you have to buy, Frictional Games still support this game and assets are still copyrighted) can compile this game on Tiger.

More information here https://frictionalgames.com/forum/thread-3613.html about this subject. There are no free assets for this game, only (incomplete) free assets are from Demo version (about free assets : https://frictionalgames.com/forum/thread-9528.html).

I think I will buy the whole Steam collection at the next sale (it is only $1 when on sale).

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So, I checked on Steam, and Steam has version 1.1.1 (10.6.8 only) and 1.0.3033 (dated 2010) for Penumbra: Overture. So I tested version 1.0.3033 and it is compatible 10.5 but Intel only unfortunately.

So if anyone has a PPC compatible version of this game (for 10.4 preferably), I guess it should be OK ... Or, at worst, we could provide the game but without its assets because Frictional Games are saying that assets are still copyrighted but base game code is open source (so binary and config is ok to share but not textures, sounds, maps...).

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> Or, at worst, we could provide the game but without its assets

This, definitely. We all unanimously agree on this (PPC side), and then we can leave a Purchase Link for people to get the mandatory assets that are still sold, complementing the PPC resources uploaded here.

Now, all this only if someone here still has the games in PPC (or Universal) format, and decides to create a page of each of these games. Sad I certainly don't.