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no longer works with classila?

Is this site no longer compatible with classila? It always worked for me before but the last week or so I get bombarded with a message saying "There is no common encryption method," The weird thing is the website still seems to load as I can see the interface but as soon as I close the dialogue box another pops up so I am unable to actually use it.

Any way to fix this? thanks!

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24bit's picture
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Strange, I am able to load the page all right with Classilla.

Classilla

Did you try to access HTTPS accidentally maybe?

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Works fine with Classilla on my Mac mini G4, as well. It does sound like the kind of error message one would get by accessing it via HTTPS instead of HTTP.

Edit: I forced HTTPS on Classilla, and that worked, too. Could it perhaps be related to the date locally set on the computer? (Either too much into the future or too far back to the past.)

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Thanks for the responses! I think I found the issue... the resolution?? It was at 640 x 480 when I was getting the error messages (due to some games I was playing). I increased it to 1280 x 960 and it seemed to work. Then just to confirm I went back to 480p and I got the dialogue message again.

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Yeah that's usually my first go to when things aren't working screen wise like they should. Certain games and certain apps will have a resolution requirement, and if it's not met then chaos ensues. I'm glad you were able to fix your problem.

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Good to know! That's one situation to avoid. Smile

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Is there any Classila version available for 68k?

Jatoba's picture
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As a Carbon app based on the WaMCom browser, all versions are PPC only.

cbone's picture
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Wouldn't that be nice! But we could only hope of such possibilities Wink

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One day the 68k shall rise again!

Just now I joined a programmer's group specializing in m68k assembler. We are getting stronger by the day. Wink

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So much good software went PPC-only right before they had a chance to run in 68k Macs Sad

I'd love to have A-Dock, but I can only use dragstrip.

Some of my utilities also remain unregistered. I did upload one of my favorites to celebrate the 2020 new year! DoubleTouch Smile

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I am a happy customer with Kaleidoskope and DragThing. And yeah, I noticed the rather rude cut-off to PPC myself. Not much "grandfathering in" there. But I learned to look thrice as hard for the good stuff and thus I got all the software I need to keep me happy with my system.

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I know! It all boils down to new protocol incompatibility.

Web apps suffered the most in the migration. I remember personally campaigning Opera in their forums to develop a browser for 68k Macs, but ultimately they didn't want to support a dying breed. And once gmail and their online kin stopped working on older browsers, working email clients became scarce.

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For 68k there's iCab. With CSS and Java and images all turned off it barely works loading the garden (at least on my overclocked LCIII with SSW 7.5.5 over Ethernet), but it does work!

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The ultimate test is if it will run Youtube or Facebook.

cbone's picture
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The only way I've gotten to facebook, youtube or any other site to show up pretty nicely on my pre-OSX macs has been through VNC, and works like a charm; it's a bit of a hack.. no audio, though! Laughing out loud

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The "ultimate" would be the Garden on 68k. Smile

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Yeah, right?

Like system7today.com, hosted on a System 7 http server, serves as a nice example. CSS might make a slight difference, but otherwise it's fully useable on 68k and OS 8-9 web browsers! Laughing out loud

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Lets stay somewhat realistic about backward compatibility.
Macintoshgarden simply can not become 68k compatible.
Best read Dan Palka´s statement from 2016 to see the reason: http://forums.system7today.com/viewtopic.php?t=3095

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There is nothing in that link about System 8.1 on 68k based systems. I all talks about *hosting* a BBS system on version *7* and the problems it has with TLS and CSS.

All I would ask for is a Garden version *viewable* with a 68k based browser. Now that ought to be possible.

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I mentioned this more than once already, but there already is a browser that also works under 68k to browse MG and beyond, which is WannaBe. Works really well and really fast, allows you to download the Garden files and to view people's comments in the Macintosh Garden, such as this one. Works under both System 7 and Mac OS 8.1, too. The Garden is fully viewable, and although it's text-only, if you click on where images (as in, pictures) are supposed to be, it gets very quickly downloaded into your Desktop for you to view.

Simply outstanding user experience and performance.

Incidentally, it also works great under PPC (a binary for each architecture exists, rather than a single FAT one), and is a really nice, superlightweight browsing alternative for websites it works on. On PPC, it is so light that I can't tell any difference between when I use the 68k version or the PPC version. It almost makes you wonder if you even are online, and not browsing some offline cache.

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But WannaBe is text only Sad
I am spoiled, I want pictures and fonts and ...

Jatoba's picture
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We might as well port Firefox to the almighty Apple II. Tongue

m68k's picture
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YES! I would donate for that project. Any chance to make it happen?
Maybe we ought to start a grass roots campaign about it. Laughing out loud

m68k's picture
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That website looks sweeeeet! Wink

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I know! Dan's been a real inspiration to many Classic Mac users when he launched S7T Laughing out loud