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NEWB question - how to get mac files onto my vintage mac (or even into vMac)?

Hi, I have kind of a chicken-and-egg problem -- how to get files from here to my Mac? (I have a vintage SE/30, and a Floppy Emu) Or even to an emulator?

If the files are available as .DSK images (and sometime .IMG images) they work in the emulator and via Floppy Emu on the real mac.

BUT what if what I download here (onto a modern macbook air) is a .SIT? And I am able to uncompress/expand into "raw" files -- how to actually use those?

Case in point - I am trying to get Fetch (and MacTCP) working on the SE/30....
Fetch comes onto my macbook air as a .SIT. I expand it into files... now what???

Thanks
Paul

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ALso - I did read some of the instructions on this forum -- seems like I can't write to .dsk/.img images with my version of OS X (it says "In later versions of Mac OS X Disk Utility can only read .dsk files.") So any ideas on the best way forward here?
Thanks.

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Not sure what your are talking about regarding Floppy Emu - but as your SE30 has a floppy HD drive,
writing files to floppy with your MacBook Air or from MS Widows is the obvious way to go.
You are quite right that Apple disabled writing HFS floppies as of OSX 10.6.
If you have no old Windows rig with floppy around, a virtual machine running Leopard Server may be
the solution for you.
VMWare Fusion offers an easy way to set up Leopard, Virtual Box may do too, but I did not try recently.
Once you have Leopard or earlier running, you assign your HD floppy to the VM and can copy your files onto floppies.
As both Mojave/(High) Sierra and Leopard are aware of vintage Mac resource forks, you may inflate any Mac archive on the Air with The Unarchiver, move it to Leopard via shared folder and copy it to floppy without damage.
Leo Server is here: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-x-server-105
If need should be, I must have a link for a ready made 10.5 Server instance somewhere too.

Basically its also possible to write RAW disk image files to floppy with dd from Terminal.
Sadly the security feature Gatekeeper Path Randomization broke this with macOS Sierra or higher.
Could be someone knows a workaround, but I don´t.

If you have the chance to grab an old Windows rig with floppy drive, take a look at https://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5282
You want the old Basilisk II, Build 142 for Mac floppy support.
Never thought I would need Windows to write Mac HD floppies back in the days! Angry

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Hi 24bit,

Yeah, sadly, Apple has abandoned floppies support with SL... I presume because Apple's hardware weren't shipped with internal floppy drives since a lot of years before. So, what about external drives from third party? Nothing by Apple, of course. I didn't try thoses myself because I have not... Sad

Franky

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Any USB floppy drive does still work in principal, as far as reading a HFS HD floppy is concerned.
Why Apple abandoned writing from user land remains one of their mysteries.
Writing HFS floppies from Terminal does work up to OSX 10.8 on my side.
10.9/10/11 should do too, but I did not confirm myself.
10.12 adds ADSR - no idea whether there is a cure for that - I seem to recall path randomization could be disabled in Terminal for a given file though.
As I rarely need floppies and have some PC oldies kicking around, investigating that wasn´t on my to-do list. Wink

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I have read somewhere that in fact, SL has not exactly dropped writing floppies, but abandoned Mac OS Standard format support & let only Mac OS Extended format. I suppose Apple has decided to expunge that with PPC code for Intel-based machines, may be...

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For archives on the Macintosh Garden that are a compressed collection of loose files and not a disk image, I use ImportFl to bring them into Mini vMac. Once there, the files can be moved onto a disk image that can used with Floppy Emu.

https://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/extras/importfl/

That link contains a link to download ImportFl and a detailed writeup on how to use it. I’ll admit: it’s rather cumbersome and tricky. It usually takes me several attempts before I get things right. It’s easy to lose resource forks and other vital file information.

In addition to ImportFl, here are some other handy file tools to have on Mini vMac: StuffIt Expander, Compact Pro, Fedit, ResEdit, MiniUnZp, and BinHex.

The MacTCP archives on this site are already BinHex’d, so you should be able to directly import them into Mini vMac with ImportFl. Once imported, you will need to de-BinHex them.

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Thanks! The combo of ImportFl and MiniUnZp was magic! I got everything I needed from the Macbook Air to the mini vMac and from there to an HD20 image suitable for the Floppy Emu and vintage SE. Thanks!!!!