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New in the MacintoshGarden

Hi, Im new in this great forum, I got Macintosh 128K, Macintosh Classic and last but not least Macintosh Color Classic, I see different software here that might work in my machines, my question is how can I get them work in my Macintosh. I have an Imac 2007 and bought a Floppy usb unit, so what can i do to copy those programs a make them recognize in the old macintosh, how do you do it?

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Gustavo

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Hi, I am using "Classic" emulated on Snow Leo mainly and I dont have such old machines like you have.
My first thought would be a SCSI ROM drive that would read all kind of software from ISO disks. Such drive could be connected to one of you Mac Classics. All software downloaded with your iMac and toasted to ISO CD should then be readable with a Mac Classic.
A similar thing should be possible with DOS or HFS floppies, if your iMac can handle them.
(I did not know there were flopppy drivers available for OSX)
I am pretty clueless about the Mac 128´s 400k disk drives. Can you write 400k floppies with the Classic Mac? If not, a "null modem" with Z-Term might help transferring some files to that one.
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/zterm

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24bit--'I dont have such old machines like you have.'
This is not nice.I have such an old machine, too.

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Hi, I am using "Classic" emulated on Snow Leo

None. "Classic Environment" has been dropped like a rain drop with Leo (even on PowerPC machines) , speaking of Snow Leo, which is the last Mac OS X version supporting Rosetta, which enables you to run Mac OS X (only) PPC software, but not the classic one.
Are you running some software-based emulator like Virtualbox or PearPC-OSX to run Classic inside? I recently've installed Leo on Virtualbox to get a Rosetta environmnet, still checking PearPC-OSX options to install Jaguar (10.2) to get a real "Classic Environment".

Latest comment on the emaculation/PearPC thread: Someone is

running Tiger on Snow Leopard just fine now, using wine.

This is a good solution for running either classic or ppc apps on Lion.

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Oh boy, guess I have to apologize for my English?
"Old" is meaning just old, vintage, yonder. No negative accent was meant to be in old - just like e.g. old tree.
Of course, no Classic emulation is done with recent OSXs by design. I still keep my 7100/80 and my iMac G3, but I seldomly use them. I am running SheepShaver, BasiliskII and MiniVMac on Snow Leo rather often and somtimes Fusion_PC on a 98SE box.

How do you feel about the OP´s USB floppy drive and OSX?
If such a setup works, I would try my Imation USB. What kind of kext could be used?

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@24bit: No need to apologize to a spammer-slash-troll.

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If such a setup works, I would try my Imation USB. What kind of kext could be used?

No idea what kind of kext is neccessary, I just bought an USB Floppy drive (not stated as Mac compatible) from Blödmarkt and connected it successfully to my Mac.

But the 'old' Mac is probably equipped with an 800k drive only, while some/most USB Floppy drives can handle HD floppies only.

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All right, I have a Imation SD-USB-M. No chance with OSX, it seems.
But its good to know there is still native support for some USB floppy drives.

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@24bit: I have a TEAC USB floppy disk drive. It works great on both Mac & Windows PCs. - Only 1.4 MB support on Mac side tho'. The Windows side has 720k support, I think (untried by me) but Macs since the 1st floppy-less G3 never implemented 800k floppy support for 3rd party USB floppy drives.

@haggy38: Mothball the 128. Place it into a hermetically sealed room and only bring it out for prospective clients 20 years or so for now, when you'll be able to sell it for whatever passes for actual real currency then. 400K floppy disk media for the 128 must be rarer than hens teeth to come by (I have one 400k FD - don't know what I'll ever do with it) getting any usable software into a 128 is tantamount to an oxymoron. As for the more common Mac Classic & the less common Color Classic... well they both do have 1.4 MB floppy drives & a hard drive, so thats a start (+ they can run a Mac OS beyond vers. 1.0 ). The Color Classic does have a PDS slot which indicates that you could possibly locate a network card for it.

However, SCSI is your best hope (for your current Mac collection) and it was suggested before - an external [SCSI] CD drive for either of the Mac Classics is the way to go... and not that common these days...

Then - for about the price of an external SCSI CD drive, you could buy on ebay a whole old Mac (beige G3 or earlier) complete with built-in CD, ethernet, floppy drive, HD, etc. for 10 or so $$. Just the thing as a go-between for your 2007 iMac and Classic collection.

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SCSI Zip drive, USB Zip drive. Much more reliable than old SCSI CD drives.

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The Zip drive is a great hint, which I used in the past.

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Thanks guys for your feedback, what G3 can I use to accomplish this porpoise, I already got a Powerbook 5300cs, Clamshell and old Imac, I find a place that still offer 3.5" DS/DD, 800K. I guess this will make me more easy to download programs from the internet and save it in these floppies. Regarding the SCOCI CD, which one you recommend? Thanks guys

Gustavo

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Something like this should do:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Internes-CD-ROM-Laufwerk-Toshiba-XM-6401B-SCSI-BULK-N...
You would need a case / psu too unfortunately.
If you would only want to move some small files occsionally, you might indeed be better off with HD floppies, as your Mac Classics should be able to read them.

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What about a Macintosh Performa 6300 Cd?? Will this works?

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The 6300´s manual says it has a SCSI CD ROM.
To make sure, you would have to look under the hood: 50pin flat ribbon = SCSI-1 = good.
40 pin flat ribbon cable = pATA = bad.