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List of MetaCreations softwares found on the Web Archive

I've found something interesting on the web archive when I was looking for another software for someone here. There is a lot of hybrid images of MetaCreations discs. So, you can find thoses here & there. Of course, I suppose these images need to be verified (not only PC ISO) & also, some of them are probably already here. Some of them will be uploaded by myself or MTT (see Mike's post below). If anyone wants to help us, he's welcome. Smile

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Here is the list of softwares & pages that to be created or modified:

  • Art Dabbler 2.1.2: page created by Mike, thanks
     
  • (KPT) Bryce 1: official image uploaded, some minor adjustments should be made...
     
  • Bryce 2: official image uploaded, some minor adjustments should be made...
     
  • Bryce 3 (3D): hybrid image will be added...
     
  • Bryce 4: hybrid image will be added...
     
  • Infiny-D 4.0: page need to be created...
     
  • Kai's Photo Soap: page need to be created...
     
  • Kai's Photo Soap 2: the page should be modified, but in any case, the original image will remain intact & probably no other image will be added...
     
  • Kai's Photo Soap 2.5: image to be verified (Mac ?) before creating a new page
     
  • Kai's Photo Soap SE: archive need to be compared...
     
  • Kai's Photo Soap 2 SE: page need to be created...
     
  • Kai's Power Goo: English & Spanish hybrid image versions will be added...
     
  • Kai's Power Show 1.1: page need to be created...
     
  • Kai's Power Tools (KPT) 3.0: archive need to be compared...
     
  • Kai's Super Goo 1.0: English version will be added...
     
  • LogoMotion 2.1: page need to be created...
     
  • Painter Classic: will be created by Mike...
     
  • Painter 6: Disc 1 will be added...
     
  • Poser 3: hybrid image will be added...
     
  • Poser 4: 2 disc images will be added here or a new page should be created ?
     
  • Ray Dream 3D: page need to be created...
     
  • Ray Dream Studio 5: image not needed, already present
     
  • Ray Dream Studio 5.5: page created by Mike, thanks
     
  • The KPT Bryce Book: page need to be created...
     

A special thanks to *****studiopix***** for most of images uploaded on the web archive.

This list will be updated as long the modifications will be made & some softwares should also be added on it if needed. Some other pages concerned should be modified or updated...

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Franky

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MikeTomTom's picture
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Hi Franky. Great find mon ami.

I've since DL'd; Art Dabbler, Painter Classic and Ray Dream Studio 5.5, which I'll add to the MG's archives once I've finished inspecting them. So far they look fine on both Mac & Windows OS's, so I should be adding them up to here shortly.

Several items there, are already here, but with some sorting we should find either better copies, stuff that's not here and perhaps some better CD scans.

All in all, a great listing. Thank you.

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YW. I'm sure your pages will be some kind of masterpieces just as usual. Wink I will try to upload one or two, especially if they're not here. Let me know if you want me to upload better or hybrid copies not here on their respective pages... I was thinking also to rename the pages with their respective authors (here, Fractal Design, Metatools, MetaCreations, etc) for regrouping them in the alphabetical list (for coherence).

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Re; the name grouping. Cool. I've made a small start Wink

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Perfect! Wink I wonder if Ray Dream Studio 5.0 was the last labelled by Fractal Design. The image of the disc v5 shows it...

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Interesting, ownership went to MetaCreations at about the same time, but I couldn't say if Fractal Design released it at 5, also, despite the stamp on the disc.

The write-up on that page only mentions MetaCreations, too.

Kind of similar was Adobe's purchase of Aldus, where they released ex-Aldus products that were hastily re-badged and still retained Aldus logo's etc. - Adobe HomePublisher version 2.0.2 is good example. In this case they rebadged the CD label correctly but neglected to rebadge the content and released it as still being Aldus software (fixed in version 2.1).

But if that's the case with that copy of RDS 5... I'll DL and have a look see.

[Edit] Nope, it's Fractal Design's. The splash screen is the same as the Ray Dream Studio 5 that we have except for the Fractal Design logo instead of MetaCreation.

This one may need it's own page... Good spotting, I overlooked this one.

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Yeah, I believe MetaCreations bought the software just when Fractal Design has released it. I've compared myself the image from web archive with the one here & they look really identicals. May be the PC part could be different, but I don't think so. It's just the picture of the disc we can upload here if needed...
However, other good news, I've located Bryce 1 & 2 full disc images. I've seen we have already the version 2. I'm gonna compare them. I will upload KPT Bryce version 1 ASAP. Smile I know this one was requested since a long time. But I can't retrieve the post about it...
[EDIT] I have uploaded official discs for Bryce 1 & 2. As I can't verify by myself (I've not Windows access), I'm not sure if these discs are hybrid or not. But I presume that Bryce 1 disc is not, as Windows is not mentioned...

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The disc image for Kai's Photo Soap 2, that we already have here, was made from an original CD (mine)

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Hi mrdav,

No worries, as I would just comparing what they have. No changes will be made with your image. I want to thank you a lot for all your uploads here, as I think you have probably created half of the pages here or near... At least, you have certainly uploaded the most titles compared to me or others. So, thanks again for all your contributions at the garden.

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I've added Painter Classic & Ray Dream 3D to the MG Smile

- The "Kai's Photo Soap 2.5: image to be verified (Mac ?)" above... Verified. It is a Mac/Win hybrid install set. But, mrdav's Soap 2 page here at the MG is also of version 2.5 for Mac/Win. - Both are the same install set (1999 ScanSoft release).

Maybe the (1998) Soap 2 image at the WA can be added to our Soap 2 page, as well.

[Edit] - And done.

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Just wanted to say you guys are kicking serious ass with these uploads. Many thanks. Smile

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Added Bryce 4 Content CD.

It appears to be the accompanying Content CD only, not the primary application installer CD for Mac/Win.
If the installation CD for Bryce 4 is at the WA, I couldn't see it there.

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And the Bryce 3D .iso has been added Wink

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Hello, studiopix here.

I've enjoyed reading the comments about some of the 25 (so far) original ISO uploads I've made to Archive.org. Many of them were extracted from from either retail hybrid discs or Macintosh/Power Macintosh exclusive CD-ROMs. Aside from uploading screenshots for several programs, I've only created one page, Kai's Power Tools 3, on Macintosh Garden.

You're right about the branding of Ray Dream Studio. The merger between Fractal Design and MetaTools closed on June 30, 1997 and Ray Dream Studio 5.0 started shipping less than a month later on July 28th. The official press release was from the newly founded MetaCreations but the packging, user guide, quick reference and registration cards were all labled as Fractal Design. I believe version 5.0.2 was the first release of Ray Dream Studio branded as a MetaCreations product.

I uploaded the image files as ISO at Archive.org because I felt it was the best way to preserve the original data structure of the discs with the added benefit of Windows and Mac OS being able to view and extract the files natively without any third-party software.

Are Disk Copy and Toast image files that Macintosh Garden recommends better suited for emulation?

In any case, I'm glad to help the community. Please check my Archive.org page for more Macintosh uploads in the future. I posted an ISO for Macromedia Extreme 3D 2 today. Or I can start posting more pages here as well. All the best.

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Hello studiopix. Huge thanks for your uploads to archive.org

Your ISO's have been perfect impressions and are of excellent quality. Preserving hybrid media as .iso is the best allround solution for both Mac and other platforms.

Are Disk Copy and Toast image files that Macintosh Garden recommends better suited for emulation?

I don't think so. My preference is for ISO and Standard Zip (as opposed to non standard Zip) if compression is used to make the upload smaller.
Toast is OK too, for predominantly Mac users, but toast hybrids confuse unaware Windows users. And if StuffIt compression is also used, this adds another layer of confusion for those users. Zip is more universal.

All uncompressed images can be added to an emulator's GUI, and loaded that way, so it doesn't really matter what the format is so much, just as long as it's not compressed. e.g.; Disk Copy will compress as it archives unless this is turned off in it's preferences. We get quite a few uploads that have been archived using Disk Copy compression and they are simply unusable if they get uploaded raw or if their resource fork goes missing somehow. Also if any imaging software uses compression when creating a disk image, those images are not useable in emulator GUI's. Images must be uncompressed, raw, in order for them to work. ISO is always raw.

Anyway. It's been great to see these archives of yours preserved at archive.org. It is such a good pristine collection of otherwise impossible to access classic software.

Thank you.

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As long as it was created with the correct program (i.e. ImgBurn), ISOs are perfect. I believe Disk Copy provides no benefits, and may even introduced problems if used for compressing the resulting image. Toast is fine, but I hear the person doing the rip has to be careful about not making rips Mac-only when they are supposed to be hybrid.

So your ISO approach is the best and most universal.