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Macintosh Garden Wanted List

Just a reminder, the Mac Garden wasn't originally founded as a place to host endless System updates and "Edutainment" from the '90s. There's a whole bunch of games and other software dating back to 1984 that turns up from time to time for sale or given away for free in various places on the web, yet isn't uploaded to the Mac Garden. These things are becoming ever more scarce as the years go by and it would be nice to get them archived here before they disappear for good. Please take a moment to look over the superbly maintained Wanted List (thank you Daxeria!) and check your collections or do a few google searches and see if there isn't something you can contribute.

Also note that many of the uploads to the Garden over the years have been less than perfect and could use better versions or simply more information. Take a look around and see if there are places in the Garden you think you can improve. If you have a question, please don't hesitate to ask on the comments or forums!

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Here's a version of Hearts: http://macgui.com/usenet/?group=17&id=403

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Point taken.

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Made this a Sticky. Smile

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wow, I had no idea we are still lacking so many good games. Great list, Daxeria! I agree with MCP, although I am not sure I got that remark about "endless System updates and "Edutainment" right... sounds almost a bit annoyed. I would say don't blame the folks that are uploading and archiving whatever they get their hands on but instead those who don't.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with uploading System software here, we need (instant) access to it to run our emulators the way we want and of course keeping our old machines running. The system software is quintessential, without it no gaming at all.

Maybe we need to split and organize the Operating systems into one category for retail discs and one for install discs for certain machines? Or perhaps even have one category for Systems up to but not including System 6, one for System 6, one for Mac OS 7 etc... Sub-categories that is obviously.

An ambitious project would be to build a database for sorting out them so we could choose to only see the German releases, only see the Mac OS 9 releases and so on. We'd obviously have to build a more powerful search engine than what we have here today in that case.

Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' with 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User

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All I'm saying is, don't forget why the site started in the first place. (And don't hijack this topic!) Most CD-ROM software (some of which I uploaded myself, don't forget) is not in danger of vanishing from the face of the Earth. Something like this: Utopia is definitely in danger of never being made available. Help us out and have a look around at thrift stores or the web or wherever you feel like you can contribute. I'm getting tired of only a few of us uploading older titles, when clearly there are many people downloading them and even buying them on eBay, apparently only to hide them in their closet forever. This site is supposed to foster contributions from its members, even if only by downloading abandonware and testing it and filling out information on its page. There are many ways to help, if only more would do so. Thanks for listening.

[Edit] dead external link to Utopia replaced - MTT

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I agree, I would love to see more old game content.

I myself am particularly hypocritical, as I uploaded a number of System restore cds- over 600 downloads of the MDD software, which I hope encourages more Mac OS 9 users on a system that the CD set was price-spiked to 50$+ when I got my CDs, and many of the other CDs have had 300-500 downloads and utilities (FoolProof) or Edutainment.... At least Edutainment may hit the nostalgia zone for many people like myself.

In fact, I'm actually disappointed that my upload of the Ferret (password recovery) has less than 20 downloads, but those system CDs sit at hundreds. Guess not everyone was a Mac OS 9 script kiddie ;3

Of course, a lot of the above isn't too terribly exciting, but I like to think of a lot of it as filler while we wait for real finds. I've got some games to upload, nothing on the list, esoteric stuff. But system CDs are a lot easier to upload - rip, stuff, upload. I feel like with games I need to get a shot of it running in-game.

But thanks for the weblink, I've never seen that before. Shame that most of the software on there is mid-80s. Guess that means whenever I see an old Classic Mac I should be super curious to see if it has software on it.

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As there were only two of us posting the material you are complaining about in the last couple of days (and the other user seems to get a pass – look what happened to this thread for instance, my on-topic post got buried end-all-mac-collection ), [Edit: Dead link removed - MTT]
it seems your complaint was directed at me.

I would’ve thought Apple apparently withdrawing OS 9 support (what there was of it) worldwide was kind of important. (They haven’t pulled support for 8.6 and lower yet, you can still download that.) And MG seemed the right place to post this stuff.
But anything higher than 9.0.4 isn’t much use for emulators I guess. So I guess real Mac users can be left to burn.

Having spent 5 hours this week at the recycling centre (the last stop before destruction) sorting through piles of music CDs, DVDs, endless Windows CDs, etc., looking for Mac OS stuff – they do throw floppies in the heap but there were only DOS and Windows 3.1 installers – I can tell you doing this is actually physically tiring hard work, compared to Googling (though I spend hours searching the Web for rare Mac OS software as well).

Most of the finds (all of which I had to pay for) were Apps or “edutainment”, only a few games, about half of which are already on MG. (And yeah, I do check the Wanted list periodically. And I do buy software off Amazon etc for posting on MG.)

Having read MG for a long time before I registered I know it was primarily for gamers using emulators on modern machines and real Mac users such as myself are tolerated. I guess uploading things such as RealProducer or Installermaker for actually creating stuff is of little interest to emulator gamesters.

I think you’ll find my finished pages were pretty “filled out” with information.

Anyway, I’ve got better things to do with my time. Since T-1000 was directly answering your post I guess I’m “hijacking” the topic as well, so I won’t post again.
I’ll see if Cameron Kaiser will host the Updaters.

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Bob Kiwi: There are links to the Wanted List on the Garden, but they are probably not as obvious as they should be. A number of my uploads I only found because I saw them on the list first and searched for them. Daxeria has done a great job of updating that list for years now, going back to the original Mac Garden.

Don't worry about screenshots; if you've got a game someone (anyone) is likely to appreciate, upload it and let someone else dink around with filling in details and uploading pics. A number of my uploads are things I don't care for, but I know someone somewhere will want it so I go ahead and upload it. (Of course you can always start a forum topic about it and see if everyone wants it or reacts in horror.) Games in particular are worth the upload because they are so much more unique than other software. I can get all kinds of utilities and productivity software for my new computer, but I can't get Shufflepuck Cafe!!

I think you'll find a lot of the educational stuff sucks to anyone who didn't experience it as a child. I was already grown when most of that stuff came out, so it seems moronic to me. The only child-oriented things I care for are those that aimed higher and challenged kids, and were accessible to adults too, like The Manhole, etc. Seems like any age group can find something to enjoy in that. Destination Mars, which I recently uploaded, really would have been something to sink my teeth into if I'd seen it back then. And I learned about it on the Wanted List...

xeter: To the average user who has been watching the Garden for the last couple of years, there's a lot more activity in 90s stuff than the older stuff. I'm simply reminding everyone that there's a lot that can be done to help preserve the really rare stuff. This is why I seldom make forum posts, everyone is so anxious to find something to take offense to. I just don't want the original purpose of the Garden to be forgotten about.

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Guilty. I used to search eBay three times a week for Mac software in the UK having memorised most of the game names on the most wanted list. After one year of searches, OK I'd picked up a large collection of 90's CD software, I'd only come across a perfect copy of Corruption from the list.
Now I'm in the back end of the world - I still search eBay AUS once a week too, nothing ever comes up. eBay and TradeMe seem to be 99% spam - small retailers selling their wares at over-inflated prices. I still search though, I'm an addict as much as anyone.

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@bertyboy: Here's one on TM you probably wouldn't see anywhere but where you reside Wink

Could be interesting for the archives. Less than 24hrs to go.

[Edit] Dead link removed - MTT

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@bertyboy: Dang! gone already. Hope it was you, or someone else from here.

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hells bells, not me, but I did get and install some PC Dinosaur software for my son into an XP VM. When I put the CD in, it comes up with a Mac installer. Nothing on the box to say it's for Mac, there's also a Mac ReadMe file on it. So that'll be next onto MG.

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Mike,
the disc arrived today, and while the box was in the condition I'd expect for a 1995 era product, the disc surface itself is in pristine condition, not a hint of fingerprints, scratches or even dust. Pity it's moronic edutainment content.

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@xeter: It was you?!!! Laughing out loud
Moronic edutainment I'd assumed, but it may be of interest (uploaded to be available from here) for its antipodean origins alone. Glad to hear that someone that visits here, also won that auction. Cheers.

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The "edutainment" remark was referencing some comments above Wink
24 hours to go is a long time for someone else to snap it up, so thought I'd better pounce.
"600 million years of history"

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Does anyone read before they post?

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Legends of the Lost Realm II: Wilderlands for Mac, unopened, is on eBay. It's probably going to go for a lot, so I'm putting it here as it is on the Daxeria page.

[Edit] Dead link removed - MTT

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It's depressing how rare actual copies of Macintosh software are.

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I had already put in a bid on Wilderlands, just to stake a claim, and I intend to snipe it again in the last seconds and win it for the Garden. This one is not going to hide away in someone's closet.

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Cool, I'll make sure not to get in your way, and make a note of your ebay account for the future Smile

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Remember Bob Kiwi, I can always be contacted via the Garden's contact page or my own website, the Old Mac Archive. I bid a lot on eBay but not always very ambitiously, and if I know someone else from the Garden has their heart set on owning and uploading something, I also will help out or stay out of the way. Gael_FR and I just cooperated recently on an auction that included some old Angelsoft adventure games that he is now trying to crack for upload, for example.

In the case of Wilderlands, I just obtained and uploaded Legends of the Lost Realm recently and would really like to get its second part to complete the package, and luckily I have the money to make it happen this time.

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We need to pledge that, in some way.

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Why is a better version of Tesserae wanted? What's wrong with the current one?

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Some of them could be available in college libraries, if anyone
can sneak in and, somehow copy the material, like The Would-Be Gentleman
for example:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/would-be-gentleman/oclc/014158153

Which seemed to have turned into a later course Cd-Rom:

http://lalunastudio.com/courseware/wbg.html

Cheers!

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When was this last updated? I was about to go preparing to upload The Factory before I realised MacGarden is where I got it in the first place.

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Feral Interactive's Sheep
http://www.bradcook.net/games/articles/2003/01/sheep/

Is this abandoned?
Thanks

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Sheep is an excellent game, but Feral Interactive still supply the patch for this game - they're extremely good at supplying patches for all their games.
But they don't still sell it. I have it.
Anyone else have a rational view on whether this is abandonware ?

Ironic that this isn't still sold, but Worms 3D (another Feral game from the same era - OK 2 years later) is, I bought this too, it was awful.

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The Factory is an old edutainment game which I actually remember seeing in edutainment catalogs back in the late 1990s.

Factory ("Factory: The Industrial Devolution") is a great time-management game where you click things to make objects to ship out.

Two different games.

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hi i am just looking for a down-loadable copy of Humongous Entertainment's Backyard Baseball 1997
and i am looking for a down-loadable copy of Carmen Sandiego's Great Chase Through Time if anybody wants to post the games on this site so people can download them that would be great

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Does anybody have Final Cut Pro 3.0?

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Yes

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MJ: are you meaning that you have Final Cut Pro 3.0? If so, would you be willing to sell it?

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Hmm it seems it runs under 9.2.2. Would be an interesting addition to the Garden. Anyone, can we consider it abandonware? It looks 2002.

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Would be awesome. I finally have a Mac (11 years after the fact - yes I know ;0) that can do the live-transitions justice. 2.0 isn't bad, but often you have to do a lot of rendering just to 'check' if it was the right choice.

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Anyone got a line on some old 3DFX drivers?

http://macintoshgarden.org/node/3804

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This may not be the oldest of things but I have been looking forever to find Microsoft Office v.X, if anyone has a link (NOT A TORRENT) or something helpful to find it then it will be much appreciated.

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@CredeDalton: Ms Office X is on a Garden page here. Its linked to mega, which I can't access. If you can DL it from mega and it turns out to be the full installer, can you please upload it to the internal Garden server too?

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The wanted list is offline, is there an up-to-date list of what's needed for mg?

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Does anyone have the VT Driver CD for the MP750 (Banshee 3DFX) ?
...and the OpenGL BetaDrivers as well?

Thx
Doc

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Screamer, it's a racing game Wink

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I couldn't find any details on Screamer on the archives of the mac games sites (allgame / gamedb / inside mac games / etc) but I did find it for sale on GOG. Is this the game you mean ?

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According to Wikipedia it was released for Mac in 2012, so not potentially suitable here for another 5 years

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Yep. There's the Doctor Who games released by the BBC that I would like to get the ones I'm missing, but at the moment they're too new as well.

Not that I've managed to run the ones I do have - my old Mac was too old and my new Mac is too new. Doh! Thanks to idiots wanting me to do work, I haven't gotten around to trying to set up old Mac emulation on this new Mac yet.

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I Am Asking If You Have Madeline Classroom Companion Preschool & Kindergarten

If Not Try This https://m.ebay.com/itm/Madeline-Classroom-Companion-Preschool-Kindergart...

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I am still looking for the Hypercard stack "City to City" by Activision:

http://www.elisoftware.org/index.php?title=City_To_City_(Mac,_3_1/2%22_Disk)_Activision_-_1988_USA,_Canada_Release

Does anybody still have this software and would be willing to load it up to the garden? I would be most grateful. Thanx in advance!

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Does Anybody have the ISOs for Pixeline Skolehjælp CD-Rom Games?

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I just uploaded Dansk 2 and Engelsk among a few others.

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This post hasn't been replied for days and years

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I am uploading them as fast as I can copy them.