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Macintosh Application Environment 3.0 Update 4

Does anyone have this piece of history to share with us all?

https://web.archive.org/web/19980613012508/http%3A//www.mae.apple.com/

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Just a downloadable demo (MAE 1.0 for Solaris). I've never seen the full version around and the demo needs a key to run.

Actually I think the demo in circulation is also incomplete. It's all a bit of a mess really. It seems to unpack/test fine.

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Well, I have just finished imaging the "MAE-1.0 for Solaris 2.3" full version CD. See here. Having no Solaris box available, I cannot test it, but the image itself is mountable.
The MAE User's Guide does not mention an install key, so I guess it isn't needed for the full version.

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This came up on Apple Discussions this week. I'm sure that there is plenty more to be found on this.

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Apple Enhances Macintosh Application Environment For HP and Sun Workstations

According to the 1.0 readme there's a a 8-hour (!) trial period along with a lot of limitations. 3.0 seems much more useful as you get a 30-day trial.

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Thanks ufk! I wonder if I can manage to get Solaris emulated in some way so I can try this out.

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Virtual PC, the versio of Solaris required for this app is old enough to have minimal requirements from an emulated PC, so it shouldn't tax your Mac if it's a late G4 / G5.

If you're on Intel, then Parallels Desktop, or VMWare Fusion may be adequate. All you need to do is source a copy of Solaris for PC. Do you think OpenSolaris is workable ?

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I doubt this would run under Intel Solaris. It would probably need an emulated Sparc. The best option right now would be tme, but I haven't the faintest idea how to get it compiled and running on OS X (or if it's even possible).

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The demos are around (of at least 1.0 and 3.0). They use an ancient version of flexnet licensing which can be circumvented (but you're on your own there).

This only runs on ancient Solaris for SPARC.

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The installer script for MAE 1.0 seems to be executable with Open Solaris in VirtualBOX4 for X86. Later, it terminates with an error Sad
Still the installer does not tell you, that it can't work with Open Solaris. The MAE readme says it would run with HP-UX9.01 too. The PA-RISC computers with HP-UX could also run Linux, NetBSD, NeXTSTEP and OpenBSD.

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It is only for the SPARC architecture not Intel, so no VBOX for x86!

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It works on open solaris 2009.06 (X86)
I desperately need MAE 3.0

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We (me and fogWraith) actually found MAE 3.0 on a Sun Microsystems "extras" CD when we went through some old stuff at work today. Should be up on the garden as soon as the CD has been scanned and made an image of Smile

Better late than never!

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You have a freakishly good memory for certain things Wink

Yearp, I'll upload it whenever there's time, version 3.0.1 I think it is... the biggest issue would be the license key as I have no idea wether or not its available on the disc.

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Hi,

any news on MAE v3.0.1?

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It's in a box, I'll image it tomorrow evening though (put it on the calendar Wink ), stuck at work over the night.

Edit:
In the process of scanning and imaging the discs

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To shorten the wait for fogWraith's highly anticipated upload Wink I did some digging for other versions.

In March 2014 fellow Macintoshgarden user Protocol 7 posted a screenshot of MAE 2.0.2 running on SunOS 5.5.1 (Solaris 2.5.1) on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96579068@N05/13073378944

If it's really his own screenshot it at least suggests he somehow managed to obtain a copy of MAE 2.0.2 in the meantime. Maybe he could post it here, for completeness?

As for the HP-UX version, over on ThinkClassic there's an interesting discussion dated 2015:
http://www.thinkclassic.org/viewtopic.php?id=455&p=4

The OP in that topic managed to score a sealed version of MAE UP-UX from ebay. Though he seemed reluctant to break the seal and image it, it would seem. Maybe he has changed his mind by now?

Furthermore they have definitely circulated a copy of MAE 2.0 over there.

Perhaps s.o. here knows s.o. over there...? *nudgenudge* *winkwink* It's a retro Mac community after all.

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Very interesting! I was looking for an HP 712 to run NextStep - am I seeing that this would allow the HP 712 to also run System 7.X software! That would make it alot easier to cough up the money for a 712!

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The MAE versions here have all been for Solaris SPARC so far. What you'd need for a 712 is the HP-UX version, which is a bit harder to find.

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I've uploaded all six discs from the "UltraComputing - the power to create" Ultra Pack Vol. 2 to the FTP repository under the folder "for_unixphreak". MAE 3.0 is located on Disc 5, everything else is a bonus Smile

As soon as the scanner starts working again I'll most likely put this somewhere more appropriate, but for now ... this will do.

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Thanks but as I suspected, the disk only includes the licence application form. MAE 3.x was never distributed with a working licence on any medium. You had to apply to Sun directly so unless this is shared by anyone (very unlikely as Oracle is litigious) or somehow cracked this is useless as Oracle is longer issuing keys.

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As I mentioned way up above Tongue

Oracle killed SUN, and thats all I have to say on that issue.
The software is still available for the curious though, I'm sure it can be cracked but then there has to be interest and willingness for software this old. Oracle *shakes fist*

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> Oracle killed SUN

So true! Thanks a lot for the upload.

If anyone wants to take a peek at the contents:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6SgAAOSwaR9aZSWt/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nA4AAOSw~4taZSWl/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QnMAAOSwUg9aZSWd/s-l1600.jpg

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Awesome thank you I will look it over tonight after work.

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Hi,
I cannot find MAE3 on ftp site.
Could anybody point me to right direction.
Thanks.

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I believe I moved the disc images, though they will be made available again sometime soon. The contents are mostly SUN-stuff, but there are gems like MAE and other interesting things on the discs.

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I hope all versions of MAE 2 and 3 are eventually found and shared with everyone. If for no one else's sake, then at least for the sake of the MAE "mascot", as seen in the archived official website:

(rofl, seriously, what was up with that?)

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I would like to take a look on those MAE disks, but probably it sold with license attached to specific hostid
(the primary -ie on board- ethernet MAC address) +hostname, but not a major issue, as someone can change the hostid (stored on openfirmware).
The MAE is friggin fast, I once run the demo on my SparcLX and run like a champ.

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Hi, I found this awhile ago, but didnt upload here before now:

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-application-environment-301-s...

This seems to be same file mentioned here: https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=186499#p186499. I remember writing someone about it so it would get uploaded here, but no human has enough free time for everything.

Now, this is completely untested. I couldnt get solaris 2.6 install in qemu properly and dont have the hardware. Would be grateful if someone sends me compressed disk image that with solaris already installed.

I wonder if you can run it on linux with qemu binary emulation and some SERIOUS ld hacking.

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If you have an Intel computer you do not need Sun SPARC hardware or QEMU emulation. You just need to install OpenSolaris 2008.05 or later (here is a link for 2009.05 http://dl.sda1.eu/other-os/opensolaris/osol-0906-x86.iso) on your Intel machine. Sun licensed QuickTransit which translates Solaris/SPARC instructions to Solaris/x86 instructions just like Rosetta (Mac OS/PPC-to-Mac OS X86). In fact both products developed by the very same company Transitive. This mieans MAE could be run on Solaris x86 systems. I have been meaning to try that but I could not get my hands on a MAE copy. Could you upload MAE 3 CDs to https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-application-environment-301-s....
Thanks.

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That is not correct, there is no binary translation layer built into either the SPARC or the x86 version of solaris 10 thru solaris 11 or any of the Open solaris variants. Whether Sun licensed the Quick Transit technology it was never added to Solaris as an Operating Environment.

You need to have a SPARC box and a copy of Solaris 10 (for SPARC) or earlier, 10 might be too new depending on the the date version but Solaris 11 changed a lot of stuff under the hood considering backwards binary compatibility.