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How to create image from HFS/Audio CDs?

I have the german mac version of You don't know Jack 3 here and it has a Data track (HFS) and several Audio tracks. So far my images resulted in Data Track only images or in something that no tools (including the one that wrote it) could read.

I have an Intel Mac with El Captain, one Intel Mac with Snow Leopard and one G4 with Mac OS 9 and some early version of OS X.

Any ideas or even how tos?

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Got a Ms Windows OS you can access as well?

Seems to be the (only?) way to create bin/cue images successfully from Mac HFS + Audio media, is to use ImgBurn or similar software on a Windows PC.

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I´m guessing that dd could make a copy of multi track CDs, but a Unix guy would have to point out the details.

The Intel Macs should be able to run a Windows flavor via Bootcamp.
A virtual machine should work as well and may be easier to set up.
Virtual Box from Oracle is free, as you may know. As a guest OS for IMGBurn, anything from W2000 on should do, if you are aiming at W7/W10, send me a mail please. Wink
W2K is here BTW: https://winworldpc.com/download/3DCC9D6F-18DA-11E4-99E5-7054D21A8599

I never thought I would suggest WinDos to preserve Mac CDs. Sad
With the benefits of APFS to come, we maybe won´t be able to read HFS CDs any more with a Mac?

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That DL is for a VMWare image of Win 2k (English). The OP might prefer a German OS (has a "german mac version of You don't know Jack 3"), or non-VMWware. In which case:
https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-nt-2000 may be a better page to rummage through for serials and language/OS choices... and of course, he may already have a more recent version of Windows at hand too...

I never thought I would suggest WinDos to preserve Mac CDs.

Me neither, but I've used the Windows only ImgBurn for years now in preference to Mac alternatives, just to get the job done correctly with a minimum of fuss.

24bit provided some nice pics of the ImgBurn UI here.

Basically, all that's required if creating an image from a Mac CD/DVD using ImgBurn, is to click the "Create image file from disc" button. In the window that follows, choose the CD drive to use and destination for the image's creation and let ImgBurn do the rest. Very simple operation. If the CD contains audio or data & audio ImgBurn will create .bin & .cue files, if the CD is data only it will create a .ISO

Note: ImgBurn is a freeware with OpenCandy adware included in it's installer - which I think is an opt-out when you install this software. I'm still using version 2.5.0.0 which was the final freeware version without adware included (available at OldApps).

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Reposted from my reply in I've made a CD image but can't seem to use it properly:

It's from 2003, so I don't know if this forum topic Mac tool to make cuebin images from CDs is still any use. It mentions a couple of options towards the end which reportedly worked back then (the start has people suggesting Windoze applications).

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I will take a look at the MissingMediaBurner that was mentioned in that forum - tho' it looks like its for earlier PPC Mac OS X's it may still be useful. - it may even find a home here Wink

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Yes, you should make a bin/cue image to capture both data track (containing any Mac and PC elements) as well as the audio tracks. Also, using a Windows PC seems to be the best option to do this as doing it on a Mac is either not possible at all or does not do it properly. However, once you have a bin/cue it is possible to use it to burn a physical CD on a Mac using Toast without resorting to Win/PC. As MikeTomTom says, ImgBurn will make a bin/cue on a PC. So will UltraISO (and Alcohol 120% if you have purchased it). There are probably others.

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Ok, I found a VM with Win 7 and tried ImgBurns. The .cue file looks good, data track and audio tracks are listed, the image.bin is 524mb that should include data and audio tracks. Now is there any way to mount this on a mac?

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->Now is there any way to mount this on a mac?<----

No, you can't mount it. You can burn a CD with it and mount that, to check that all is OK.

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oh that sucks Sad

I don't have any empty CD-Rs here, should I upload anyway and one of you guys check if it's complete and fully functional?

Also I just realized that the Audio part isn't important for the game, it's just some funny bonus content, and it's also a part of the data track as mp3 files.
So I will upload both, the full image and data track only image (mountable).

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->So I will upload both, the full image and data track only image (mountable).<----

Thanks for doing this.

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here it is: http://macintoshgarden.org/games/you-dont-know-jack-3-german

Could anyone try and check if it's working?
I was able to install it from image and play it in SheepShaver using Mac OS 7.6 (OS X 10.11 El Captain as host)

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The german version of Isis is a mixed mode CD too. I made a bin/cue image with Toast and ripped the Audio tracks with XLD to .aiff files and uploaded that. That way old Toast versions should be able to burn this correctly.

Also I think the .cue file created by Toast 14 is incorrect, I checked .cue files for PS1 titles at redump.org, those look a bit different. But all the important info is in the uploaded .cue file so if we ever find the correct way it should be possible to create a correct bin/cue/audio image from the files I uploaded.

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--> I think the .cue file created by Toast 14 is incorrect<----

Yes. As I have said in a couple of other forum topics, Mac software does not seem to be able to make bin-cues correctly. It is best to use a Windows machine for that.

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Usually using a Mac with current OS X system, for Mixed-Mode CD-ROMs, I switched over to UltraISO on Windows to create them as bin/cue pair of files. Using Toast, probably an user can extract the data partition out of this bin/cue pair of files.

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Has anyone tried NTI Dragon Burn and care to share their thoughts?