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help with mac se

So I was planning to move yesterday so I pulled some of my old macs out of storage. Among them was my prized mac se. I booted it up and it worked just fine! so I played a game of lemmings and packed it into a tote. This morning there was a major development.... turns out I wont be moving. Thought I'd have some more fun on my mac... but now its giving me the question mark floppy disk!! Noooooooo. It has a 100mb hard drive in there with about 30 games. I was able to boot up on floppy but disk first aid isnt able to recognize the hard drive at all. I tried opening it up and disconnecting/reconnecting the hard drive. Still no go.
1. Is there anything else I can try to revive this drive? I put a lot of work into the collection of software on there.
2. If not... can somebody point me in the direction of a replacement hard drive I can buy. I do not have much money right now... I could afford $50 but nothing more ( also, I live in canada so shipping prices are way higher for me) I would rather get a new HD than replace the mac because it has an 25mhz acceleration card in it.
any help would greatly be appreciated. This computer is my pride and joy... Thanks!

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Do any of your other (working) old Macs use SCSI disk drives?

If so, move the drive from your SE into another Mac and test to see if the drive is recognized in another Mac. If it is, then the problem may lie with the SE.

If it fails in another Mac (and if you don't intend to use the other Mac) borrow it's SCSI drive to use as a replacement.

If the above isn't an option, then eBay(i) may be an option if you can keep the price down to within your budget.

(i) eBay, craigslist, LEM Swaplist (Canada), and probably others.

Some ebay buy-now's, with shipping to Canada Quantum 40s, Conner 40sc, Quantum ProDrive 40. All 40MB's only. With a quick browse I spotted these within your budget & included shipping to Canada. If you're not in too much of a hurry, patience will likely see something better turn up.

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Hey thanks for your help.

None of my other macs have drives I can use. The beige g3 has a 100gb which i dont believe would work on the mac se... would it? But either way i like using that computer too. The other mac is some model powerbook from ~1995 but it runs unbearably slow so i figure theres something wrong with it as well.

so when im looking for hard drives what do i need to look for? Is the connection the same as ide drives used in the late 90s?? Whats the maximum size it can be? Does it have to be made in a certain time peroid? etc

Il try putting the se drive in the g3 when i get home if it will fit.

I was also thinking... what if the hd head is stuck?Maybe throwing the drive could unstick it. I remember that working for me before. I mean it did just quit completely out of nowhere. There was no warnings at all, it worked great yesterday...

thanks again

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what about this?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/XP31070W-IBM-Quantum-1GB-SCSI-68pin-3-5-HDD-/1524...

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Not unless there is an adapter included. I'm pretty sure the SE (internally) will take a 50 pin SCSI hard drive connection cable only. So you should probably concentrate on getting a 50 pin HD as a replacement.

In answer to your other questions, you cannot use ATA/IDE drives in the SE. It must be a SCSI HD only.

A beige G3 does have an internal 50 pin SCSI slot on the motherboard for a connecting ribbon cable to internal SCSI devices. So you may be able to at least test to see if the drive is alive or not.

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Does the SE´s drive spin up at all? With those ancient HDDs one would easily hear it usually.
Did you double check all connectors (and terminators) at the SE? Something may have been misplaced during your moving attempt.
The G3´s 100 GB will match without issues electrically, but it won´t boot due to its PPC System obviously.

I recall people using SCSI to CF adapters, maybe thats an alternative to another old HDD?
Compact Flash should be fast and silent once the odds and ends are put together.

Good luck for your hunt of a good used 50pin SCSI HDD. They have become rare the last decades and people are asking crazy prices for every peace of crap metal/PCB. Sad
You may know that non Apple branded HDDs must be initialised with a patched version of Apple´s HD Setup or with Lido. http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/lido-756

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I have found with most drives of this vintage that both the platters and heads are prone to freezing.
I would pop the top (don't forget the foil covered nut on the spindle) and make visual confirmation that the platters are spinning. You may need to give them a little shove.

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but disk first aid isnt able to recognize the hard drive at all

Does this mean that it gets some sort of error or failure reported, or that it just sees nothing ?

Do you think it could be some sort of overheating while it was packed ?

Otherwise I go for the stiction option too, like sfp1954. I'm not keen on opening the drive hole, but I put it in a zip lock while there is relatively low humidity, into the freezer for an hour, let it warm up a bit, then out of the zip-lock (again in relatively low humidity) and try again. The theory is that the platters don't shrink in the cold, while the arms do, breaking the stiction.
I can't stress how important the low humidity is, otherwise you end up with ice crystals all over the drive unit, same when you take it out of the freezer - it will suck and freeze the moisture out of the air. Modern drives are more resilient to this.

As for sourcing a replacement, just be patient on your second-hand / free sites, people are always moving house, and ditching their old Macs that don't power on or give them the "chimes of death". Something will turn up, maybe a whole box of old Mac stuff.

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I ended up buying a replacement 80mb drive on ebay yesterday for $80. The seller was super helpful and is going to be sending some other parts no charge, so its not as bad a deal as it sounds.

I also confirmed that the head is stuck on the drive, I tried shaking it around, no go. I'll give the freezer method a shot. thanks

And first Aid sees nothing

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I cracked open the hard drive and turned it on... I can see the platter spinning but the head doesn't move... it looks like it tries to and does a little shake but thats it.

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Oil it up and move it by hand or loosen the lock screw on it a little bit.

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For the same price you could have installed a 1GB microSD solid state drive.
Does require OSX and a USB cable for setup.

I have them running in a IIci and 6100.

https://store.inertialcomputing.com/SCSI2SD-p/scsi2sd-v5b.htm