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Good, all around vintage Mac

Hi. What would you guys/girls say is the best all around classic Mac for playing
vintage games?

Thanks!

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I would say it depends on "how classic" you want the games and handling to be? You want to go for the really old b/w games and system 6? Or MacOS 9 games? Maybe something in between?

I use my iMac G4, 800 Mhz, 768 MB RAM, 60 GB RAM, which is my main computer. Three advantages:

First - it doesn't take much space on my desk.
Second - It boots both OS X and OS 9.2.2
Third - It is fast enough to emulate those older games in Basilik (though didn't have the time to really try it out yet)

And if you want to count in a fourth reason - even by todays standards it simply looks awesome. Check out this video, ain't it lovely? Imagine it on your desk playing all your favorite vintage games Smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWGuUkYZYIE

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Well, I currently one a G3 iMac, but I do like to play older 68k mac games and some early B/W games (most of them simply crash)

I thought of picking up a G4 imac. I just emailed someone on craigs list about one.

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A G3 iMac is pretty good for most older games. Some games may thrive on something more speedy like a G4, but probably a G3 iMac is a safe bet for most older games I'd think. Plus you can get them pretty cheap now, I usually see them for under $50 on craigslist.

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Good luck with the G4 iMac, gets harder and harder to get those for a reasonable price. Some people seem collecting them and not only one or two, but a dozen or so. Same thing with the G3 clamshell iBooks. Trying to get my hands on one for a couple of month now, but the prices.... phew... Sad

If you're in for the really old stuff I'd personally get a SE/30, just for the retro ambience. Always liked the all-in-one idea behind it. And again - it'll save you space on your desk Smile Though I have no idea for how much they go nowadays and wheter they're hard to get or not. I suppose some of the older mac experts here can help you more Smile

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Yes, I'd go for an SE/30. They go for $100 to $150 today though Sad ... and they can't run newer software, but they're nice machines.

It seems that there are many Beige G3 systems being thrown out / given away today though.

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Yep, depends how "vintage" you want to go.

SE/30 or Classic II to play thoe you would emulate in mini vMac.

Or a IIci / Quadra 700/800/900/950 for those you can emulate in Basilisk II.

Otherwise, any OS9 and OSX booting G4, faster the better, iMac or tower (like MDD) yo play them in emulation.

Whatever you want to spend your money on. But the good stuff is usually very hard to find, and it's 100x more so if you don't live in the USA - spent years looking for a working Quadra 800950 with original discs in the UK. Or a Colour Classic.

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An SE/30 is basically a IIx in a compact case with only one expansion slot.
Color graphics cards do exist for it, and depending on which card you want they are not necessarily that expensive. But with such a card, an SE/30 is just as good as a IIci. You can also put up to 128MB of RAM into it! Smile

I like the Quadra 800 or better yet, the 840av when it comes to 68040 stuff. And if you're getting a G4, make sure it can boot into OS 9.

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I still have my LC 630. What a machine; it's easily outlived my iMac DV and iMac G4.

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I was given a Quadra 650, it's in great shape but it didn't include a mouse or keyboard. Sad

I was looking to play color 68k Mac games.

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I have an imac G3 with 600mhz 1GB of RAM with OS 9.2.2. OS 9 was never a stable system though, I've tried everything to make it run as fast as possible! Other than the continuous crashes its all in all a great machine. I'm pretty sure people know what I'm talking about. Wink

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i have 3 clamshell ibooks running OS 9. as space saving devices they're great and pretty cheap but the downside is the fussy (read:cheap) cd drives. i also have a powerbook 3400 running 8.5 (which i think is the best of the later classic OS's).

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I use a Titanium Powerbook (500 MHz G4) which works just fine for a lot of games. It also boots Mac OS X, which is useful in case something goes wrong. Very pretty machine.

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I use a Titanium Powerbook (500 MHz G4) which works just fine for a lot of games. It also boots Mac OS X, which is useful in case something goes wrong. Very pretty machine.

Used to have one of those. Awesome machine for the pre-OS9 games, but the 8MB video card was limiting for the games released at its time.
Gave mine away, wish I'd kept it.

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I'm with Zebonka on the LC630 option. I have a 6gb drive installed on it and an FPU and it plays all the classic pre powerpc games and apps flawlessly, even the really old ones, which is just a matter of turning off the 040's cache in the cache options control panel.

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Get a Macintosh SE/30 or a Macintosh Classic II with the System 6 OS from eBay.
I use the Macintosh Classic II for "The Colony", "Hellcats Over The Pacific", Infocom games, etc.

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I'd say that for a retro blast, 68k is the way to go...
Pre-G3 for sure, pre-PPC for a real retro blast. I'll second the rest about the SE/30, I'd reckon a Quadra too Smile

Used to have a few SE/30 + Quadra 840av, now I only have a (Mystic) Colour Classic

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Well I have 2 Vintage macs
My Imac g3 I have had since 2001!!!
and my lc 575 that i got last year,
my g3 is going to be maxed out on ram soon tho, (its at 512Mb _ running 10.4.11. and os 9.2.2) I am planing to get a g4 tho

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I use a Power Macintosh 5500 with Sonnet G3/500. It's an all-in-one, so unfortunately you can't expand graphics capabilities. But if you don't want aio, you can stick with the 6500. Basically the same model as a tower with more expansion slots. Perfect for all the good old games that run on the "classic" MacOSes.

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I've got two running Classic Macs; a Digital Audio G4 with a Quicksilver's 867Mhz CPU + 64MB Radeon, and 1.25GB RAM, running 9.2.2 and 10.5.8; as well as a Quadra 950 with 148MB RAM, 2MB VRAM upgrade, 4GB HD, and an internal CD-ROM, running 7.6.1. Still looking for a PPC 601 PDS card for that one. Love them both to death.

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I have an Apple //c

blazing fast 1Mhz
Microprocessor

* 65C02 running at 1.023 MHz
* 8-bit data bus

Memory

* 128 KB RAM built-in
* 32 KB ROM built-in (16 KB ROM in original)
* Expandable from 128 KB to 1 MB (only through non-conventional methods in original)

Video

* 40 and 80 columns text, with 24 lines[3]
* Low-Resolution: 40×48 (15 colors)
* High-Resolution: 280×192 (6 colors)[4]
* Double-Low-Resolution: 80×48 (15 colors)
* Double-High-Resolution: 560×192 (15 colors)[4]

Audio

* Built-in speaker; 1-bit toggling
* User adjustable volume (manual dial control)

Built-in storage

* Slim-line internal 5.25 floppy drive
* 140 KB, single-sided

Internal connectors

* Memory Expansion Card connector (34-pin)*

* Only available on ROM 3 motherboard and higher; original IIc: NONE

Specialized chip controllers

* IWM (Integrated Wozniak Machine) for floppy drives
* Dual 6551 ACIA chips for serial I/O

External connectors

* Joystick/Mouse (DE-9)
* Printer, serial-1 (DIN-5)
* modem, serial-2 (DIN-5)
* Video Expansion Port (D-15)
* Floppy drive SmartPort (D-19)
* 12 Volt DC connector input (DIN-7, male)
* NTSC composite video output (RCA connector)
* Audio-out (⅛-inch mono phono jack)

and it runs really, really, Classic software

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Rounding out my collection of Macs ...

MDD dual 1GHz, QuickSilver G4, iMac G3, 17" PBG4, SE FD/HD. All good for retro gaming.

As well as an 8-core Mac Pro for emulating anything I've missed.

And just bought (on eBay) a Digital Audio G4 and an AGP Graphics G4, for those OS9.0.4 and OS8.6 moments.

eBay seems to be loaded with Digial Audio G4's at the moment, very cheap, nice fast retro machines. All the (slightly earlier) G4 towers are quite hard to find at a good price - AGP & PCI Graphics and Gigabit Ethernet. Mac Minis (even G4) and G4 Cudes still cost more than a G5 tower, I've bid many times for a Cube, never won one.

There's a working Apple Lisa 2 on eBay in the UK just now. Already too much for me.

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Retrowurst: I used to have a 5500! I wish they had built them with Sony monitors, 'cos mine burned out long before the rest of the machine would have. The feature I liked best was that I could set that monitor all the way down to a compact mac's resolution, and even switch it to monochrome! Very handy for using old software, and on a bigger screen than ever before.

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I have an Apple //c

I still own a second-hand Apple ][GS which runs all 8bit Apple ][ software plus its own 16bit software.

- PowerBook 190cs (68040 processor type, Mac OS 8.1) - latest 68k model ever available
- PowerBook G3 Pismo (G3/400 processor type, Mac OS 9.1, Mac OS X 10.2)
- PowerBook G4 Late 2005 (1.67GHz, Mac OS X 10.4) - current

Apple announced a PowerPC upgrade for PowerBook 190, but had never released it.

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It is funny how i got into mac. It was about two years before when i was surfing the internet and i had the idea to search for a macintosh emulator. I had emulators for super nes, nes, mega drive, amiga, atari st etc. I found basilisk and sheepshaver but to say the truth i managed to run only basilisk after months! I had also found the macintosh garden site. The quantity of games was so little compared to today. But i had a huge curiosity to see games on mac like monkey island, fate of atlantis and gabriel knight. I had a curiosity for macintosh from 1992 when i started buying my first computer magazines. I remember that the most action games were reviewed on Amiga but adventures were reviewed only on PC. But i will never forger an adventure (i think it was Rex Nebular) that the review was on PC and they were writing that it will also come out for Mac. Wow! an adventure game for PC,Mac and not for Amiga, Atari St? Probably macintosh is a good computer. See, in Greece almost none had mac. All users had pc,amiga,atari or 8-bit computers like Amstrad and spectrum. So i started my investigation on mac computers. I learned about mac mini, imac and mac pro. I bought imac 20" and i am very happy with it. Then i started downloading and trying to play these old games from macintosh garden but i couldn't because ..you know 'classic environment is not supported any more'. So i did a huge investigation on older mac os, older computers and i was checking the requirements of lots of games. Now i have an imac g3 with 640mb ram, 20 gb hard disk, 16mb video card and mac os 10.2 and 9.1. I also bought recently a mac performa 6116 at 60 mhz with 4x cd drive, 72 mb ram and 1 gb hard disk. I prefer the real machines than emulator. So, what's the best all around classic Mac for playing vintage games? It depends. I don't care for games that have less than 256 colours except Indiana jones and the last crusade. So i choose my imac. It plays almost all games (in macintosh garden). I think only Halo cannot play cause it needs g4. Everygame plays so good and fast. I love adventures and i am really excited when i play Bad Mojo, Dark Seed 2, Lucasarts adventures, Morpheus, 7th guest etc. Now i have only one goal to make. To connect a roland mt-32 for better music. It is a midi device. Of course some of you remember various sounds cards for pc like soundblaster,adlib, pro audio spectrum and of course roland. So i bought this midi device from ebay and i also bought the midiman macman interface. I still don't have the cables for the connection but soon they will come to my home because i have ordered them Smile. you can take a look at these links Smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6aUs2SW0aE , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDh4n_EhyYA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ug0csPB_xg. Finished Smile

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If you want to play SSW 7 games, get a 68040 machine. I recommend a Quadra 605.
For classic games that require 3D (like the original Quake, Unreal, etc.), get the fastest G4 machine that still runs Mac OS 9 natively.

Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' with 'SSW 7'. - IIGS User

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Dang, I bought a second-hand eMac, but it is the 2005 model, with 1.25GHz G4. I had to use a workaround to get a Classic mode System Folder installed (as it was impossible to install OS 9.2.x without a working Classic environment - Catch 22). I have just finished playing classic mode THPS2, and it ran beautifully (except for the movies). I still have the G3 iBook, which boots 9.2.x natively, but the 16MB graphics card is a bit weak. I would love to get 9.2.x running natively on the eMac, but the last one to support it was the 800MHz model a few years earlier Sad

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Yeah, either the 2002 700/800MHz or the 2003 800/1000 MHz eMac can boot OS9. But of course the 2003 model came with an (optional) AirPort Extreme card, which didn't work when booted into OS9 !!!

Not sure where your 16MB video card came from, your model should have shipped with the 32MB Radeon 7500. The 2003 model and even the ORIGINAL eMac had 32MB cards in them.
An OS9 MDD would give you a 64MB Radeon Pro 9000 card. Maybe just too big and powerful - OS9 looks insane on a 1920x1200 23" display with it's tiny icons.

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I still have my Performa 5200 from 1995, was going to throw it away but then read somewhere that it was arguably the worst mac ever built. Seeing as it still works i thought i'de keep hold of it incase a working one became hard to find

For retro games, i use a G3 400mhz clamshell iBook, my brother uses a Pismo Powerbook, the portability was a must as the blue G3 powermac that preceded them took up way too much space, its sitting under my bed now

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Bertyboy, my iBook has the 16MB ATI RagePro (the best at the time), my eMac has a 32MB Radeon 9200 from memory...

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I use a G3 iMac, but soon I'll be getting a new Mac, primarily to replace the iMac G5 I'm using (the motherboard went bad, destroying rendering on graphics and videos). I plan to bring my vintage OS 9 and below games for the ride, to be run with emulation.

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@themacmesiter: check this place if there's any help on eMac-w-9.2.2 subject:
http://www.os9forever.com/os9helper.html
Have successfully installed and ran 9.2.2 on a 9600. With a G3-upgrade I also ran OS X on it, but that´s another site and topic… Wink