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SwedeBear's picture
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Drain from other web site?

Found 'Macintosh Repository' at http://www.macintoshrepository.org
Their DLs seems to be identical to MG's makes me wonder if they're bandwidth leeching MG's own file server?
It's good to spread the files as a backup but not acting as a frontend to a copied list of file links.
Anyone knows more about the place?

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Well spotted! It's pretty obvious they took their content from the Garden. Just checked one of my rather exotic uploads and found it - even including the screenshots I had taken. Well, those screenshots were taken by me for the MacGarden and no place else. I think this needs clarification. Just notified one of our admins by e-mail.

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Maybe we should state a copyright for our screenshots and imprint a watermark logo like flea bay does it.
Other than that, there won´t be much one can do about a leecher presenting MGs content as own, I´m afraid.

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This is the work of that-ben. that-ben was a contributor here, left Macintosh Garden after finding broken StuffIt Deluxe 7.0.3. I thought that-ben was excellent, but I now see an aspect of character which I dislike: plagiariser. Now I have doubt about that-ben's contributions: were they from their own personal collection, or copied/poached from earlier community efforts?

Observations:
that-ben made "Macintosh Repository" at December 2015, if not earlier.
The big rip off was done by "http://www.macintoshrepository.org/software_search.php?mine=1" (#1 = "Ben")
All edits, updates, and newer entries seem to be from "http://www.macintoshrepository.org/software_search.php?mine=2" (#2 = "that-ben")
"http://www.macintoshrepository.org/1845-timbuktu-pro-6-0-3-os9-5-2-4-os8-" is an example (Timbuktu) page, which certainly started from a Macintosh Garden node, but was modified (file from MG not kept).
that-ben is not spreading same StuffIt Deluxe 7.0.3 found in MG. He is hosting "http://www.macintoshrepository.org/809-stuffit-deluxe-1-5-x-7-x", a different 7.0.3 archive, without a checksum.

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I don't really mind that people download files to preserve on either private drives or present them on their own servers, either way it's a win/win situation since theres another copy floating around out there ready to (hopefully) be shared with other people in the future.

However.
It's insulting that other peoples hard work, the amounts of time spent and general effort in making the Garden what it is, is simply spat upon and copied.
I do like the idea behind his website and all that jazz, it does a good presentation, but how its done is a different story.

The thing I don't want to do is lock things down for the general public; you shouldn't have to register to retrieve a simple file or go through a long process to find what you're after.

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@butterburger look like you are right Ben copy my own filters list from the WebWasher app. and screenshots, also note many apps. there have no descriptions and compatibility info.
This site is a rip off of MG.

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->This site is a rip off of MG.<---

Yes, it certainly is. I see that their MacFormat 1998 page have files with exactly the same incorrect names that I had here until about two weeks ago.

But I don't think there is much we can (or should) do about it (see fogwraith's comment above), except perhaps make the situation clear as we are doing now.

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My worries here is if they're linking to MG's server. That is the main trouble here IMHO. It's not good copying without giving credit but at least it's a way of spreading the word and the stuff. But if there's no mirroring of actual files and consuming actual bandwidth of MG then it's a big no-no, still IMHO.

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My first impression was that it looked bright & fresh, but on closer inspection it comes across to me as being slow and clunky looking and with little info about anything. That macintoshrepository.org site sucks on so many levels..

Yes, most of their content looks to have been ripped straight from here - all of mine & others, screenshots and uploads with no attempt at disguising the fact, made by them.

We can't stop folks from plagiarism and we can't claim ownership on 99% of the software that we upload to here.

Watermarking screenshots is not a bad idea, but we only need to dig into the depths of the MG to notice that we have more than a few screenshots of our own, bearing the watermarks of Moby Games, etc. So it won't prevent pix from being nicked but it may let others know of the source at least.

I may adopt inserting a note into future uploads - along the lines of "point of origin" of the archive as a matter of course (like WinWorldPC does). That too won't detour those who will DL and host elsewhere, but it will give others a hint of where a file was originally archived to.

Actually I have no problem with what the macintoshrepository.org site has done, only how they've gone about doing it. Such a blatant rip-off. For the time-being I suggest that we (1) don't add them to our list of MG friends & (2) don't recommend them as an alternative source for files.

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bearing the watermarks of Moby Games,

Me, I don't like that screenshots here.

MikeTomTom's picture
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Same here. I think replace with our own, as we come across them.

mrdav's picture
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->My worries here is if they're linking to MG's server.<--

SwedeBear , I agree that this should not be allowed for a whole site, but is it possible (1) to determine from their php links whether they point directly to the files on our server, and (2) if so, then is it possible to prevent such direct links? If it is possible to prevent direct links to our files then maybe we should implement that anyway, regardless of the answer to (1). This would not prevent anyone from linking to any of our pages which I think is a good thing for others to do. Anyone following the link can then download the files from the page and would know that they are on MG.

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I have made some minor changes to the server, anyone linking directly to images / files, even if a service such as nullreferer is used, should be greeted with a failed attempt.

As far as I know, they aren't linking to the files on the server here at MG - though I will perform additional tests to verify this once I've gotten a few hours of sleep.

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If it is possible to prevent direct links to our files then maybe we should implement that anyway, <…> This would not prevent anyone from linking to any of our pages which I think is a good thing for others to do. Anyone following the link can then download the files from the page and would know that they are on MG.

Totally agreed Wink Of course this; the copy-and-paste-building sites, is one drawback running a site like MG with it's rather unique content in the open. Not that I would it otherwise…

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One annoying issue is that the "other website" is asking for donations, so he's actually making money off our work of finding new uploads, adding screenshots, etc. without even the decency to post any acknowledgement. Angry

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Hello Everyone its been a while since I posted but I am still lurking and playing...;>).......I was curious since reading this thread and I just checked on that other site for some of my contributions.....Bitheadz was a dead give away.....Including my "Q" registration method and mods...;>).....Not even a thanks to anyone....bleech...!...

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Call it "Macintosh Ragden."

os9er's picture
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Haha! Good one.

I've seen that site. Haven't looked at it much, but I'd still be surprised if it wasn't a ripoff of MG.

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Hmm, so I wasn't imagining things. Yeah I noticed this too while I was looking for old software. Unfortunately I shrugged it off as I didn't want to get distracted from my task at hand.

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It honestly seems a bit petty to worry about things like grabbed screenshots for another site hosting completely unlicensed content. If anything, we should hope for as much proliferation of of the software as possible so it lives on, and strengthens the abandonware position. Now if they were hot-linking off your screenshots and using your bandwidth, that would be understandable, but beyond that it really shouldn't matter. Being possessive of something like this would be hypocritical.

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I can concur with everyone's feelings about MG's content, hey it's a labor of love for all of us. I think it's fair to say that without heart, nothing lasts. I've seen so many amazing Mac-loving places online come and go and if it weren't for those of us hoarding ( lol ) our little Mac treasures, we wouldn't have any of this now. I love MG as I know all of you do! Love

I don't know if anyone can remember the old spirit of Mac users: we would attend local MUGs, carry around boat-loads of floppy disks, share some shareware with one another in school and at work, and basically be rather generous with all of our collective software. I think that community spirit has never really left us.

What I've observed is that the Internet as of late has become drier and less-communal in nature. I see MG as the local Mac pub, our own version of 'Cheers' Beer. This is a very unique pool of helpful folks that 'give a damn' about what the Mac universe gave to all of us. I know everyone appreciates and respects the camaraderie that we share here and among other fellow Mac users and enthusiasts.

I ( naively ) concluded that macintoshrepository.org was either a mirror site (which in some ways it is ) or that they had somehow communicated their intentions with MG prior to going online. I see the site creator as a newbie MUG attendee that came for some shareware and then took off without signing up for a membership, except in this case, it looks like they did make some contributions to MG and then they did what they did, which is the equivalent of 'I'll give you some of my shareware for all of yours, but without letting anyone know'.

Hey, our Macintosh world wouldn't be what it is without a couple of 'bad apples'. Wink In the end, like Max pointed out, we can't have too many classic Mac abandonware sites online, even unauthorized versions like MR. What's really funny is that I've actually ( innocently, lol ) have downloaded quite a bit of software from their site to save MG some bandwidth, so I guess that just made me robin hood! Innocent