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Cornica makes a comeback - open beta now

Hey everyone,

so you long-timers may remember Nicolas Bahamondes attempt to create a plattform for MacOS users to stream videos online back in 2012. Those of you who don't remember Cornica or simply weren't here - check out this old thread.

I was a big fan of it. Unfortunately due to various reasons it would cease to exist too soon. Ever since I had the idea of bringing it back as sort of an archive of Quicktime movies. I talked to Nicolas who thankfully approved of the idea and gave me the green light to use the name.

What exactly will it be?

I've created a HTML prototype to "playtest" the thing. The page has been coded so that it will display fine with Netscape 4.x, as I want even first-gen PowerPC users with System 7.6 to be able to download videos Smile

Currently the page consists of a handful of Quicktime videos I had on my HDDs or found here on the Garden. I've also converted some great YouTube videos. (still working on enhancing that process) The prototype doesn't allow for user submits, but I want to enable ya'll being able to send in videos. (though it will require moderation)

I do not want a second YouTube. (which is why this is no Youtube proxy) I do want Cornica to be a Quicktime archive

  • with hand-picked video content that celebrates the 80s, 90s and early 00's, our Macs and lifestyle.
  • with no influencers, ads, fake news, political stuff or something
  • that is a fun place to hang out with your old Mac. (ok, emulated systems too)
  • that makes people dust off their old Macs and use them again, because they are still good for something, even if "only" for entertainment.

or simply put - the general idea is to make this a place for you and your old Mac to have fun!

Check out the current => work-in-progress prototype.

The videos are hosted on the Mac Garden infrastructure, so they won't likely just disappear overnight. Big thanks to @fogwraith for his support!

What I am most interested in is whether or not you would use Cornica? Any feature you'd love to see?

Thanks for any feedback, appreciate it!

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Just in case, I vouch for him. I endorsed him and gave all what I had stored (even redesigned the logo) for his project.
I wish you the best luck for the revival of Cornica Smile Thanks for believing on my first try.

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Please consider the planet, think of the children and most importantly - don't forget 68k!
We were here before PPC came along - and deserve some browsing, too.

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sucking, sucking, sucking ... I've got sooo much disk space yet to fill
Thx for helping me with that task. Laughing out loud

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One of the movie files (computerchronicles-mac.mov) has a soundtrack that appears to be out of sync with the video track.

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It runs very smoothly in TenFourFox on my iBook G4. I'd break out the PowerMac G4, but I need to get it set up to where it can get on my wifi network.

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@Nicolas - thank you for your support. It greatly matters to me, after all, Cornica was your brain-child Smile

@m68k - thanks, I'll check that video and reupload a working copy! Don't worry, there is more content to come to fill up all your precious hard disk space Wink

Actually I have no idea if it works on a higher-end 68k machine as I have no means of testing. Theoretically it could work on a e.g. Quadra with Quicktime 4. I've successfully tested it on my 6100/66 and Quicktime 4. If anyone with 68k gear would volunteer to check I'd really appreciate it! Smile

@capt_chuckl3s - thanks for testing and taking the time to write! A G4 should be absolutely fine, you're already toward the higher-end Smile I'd personally draw the line somewhere between a 601 and 604 PPC chip. That is - streaming in the browser takes a more powerful Mac than downloading and playing the file locally. But as I wrote above, it might work on a 040 Mac too.

I'm wondering right now if I should keep the design or exchange it for a more retro classic late 90s page design. Also to improve rendering times on older machines. Hmm... got to think about it.

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Don't ask me about theming your website, as I am hoppelessly prejudiced towards Platinum looks - a taste I am sure is not to everybody's liking Wink

As far as HTML coding is concerned, pleae try (that's all I am asking) to keep it compatible with NS-Navigator 3.0.1 or iCab 2.9.9 (the best browsers available for 68k Macs).

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Simply a spectacular comeback website, Bolkonskij Smile we will most gladly beta test your online rebirth of cornica, from Nick's original work!

The key for video compatibility digestible to 68k macs is to ensure that videos are encoded with the cinepak codec. Sorenson-encoded videos will play perfectly on all ppc macs. Sorenson encodes are much smaller than cinepak, but they require more processing power, so apple only made them playable on ppc macs.

Since some of your uploads are cinepak and others are sorenson, they could have a 68k tag and/or label to identify and maybe be able to search for them. Videos could also be encoded for the missing format, but since some of them are already compatible, the id-ing may be a good start for 68k mac users, just a thought! Wink

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The G4 that I have has a 400 mHz PPC, so I'm intrigued as to if it will have any trouble rendering the website.

my vote is to give it a more 90s website feel.

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This is way cool. I love stuff like this.

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@cbone - I wasn't aware of the 68k incompatibility of Sorenson. I didn't have a chance to test it on a 68k machine and judged by the quality, which led to me switching over to Sorenson. Thanks for pointing that out!! Offering two versions or at least marking the videos is jotted down as a "To-Do". Thank you for this valuable input!

That said, anyone in central Europe having a 68030 / '40 Mac that he / she doesn't use and would sell me so I can use it for benchmarking with Cornica?

@OpenSourceMac - thanks for taking the time to give feedback! Appreciate it! Smile

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You bet, very glad to help out my friend! Just to give you another tool for your inspiring project, I've been able to play cinepak videos using the android port of basilisk on my android chromebook using a Quadra 900 rom and running OS 8.1. Quicktime 4.0.3 has been the most compatible version and player, more details on that below.

The following avi samples of big buck bunny encoded for me on the videohelp forums require quicktime 4.0.3 and that version's player. Earlier versions of quicktime cannot play these encoded video files.

This archived video of the 1984 Apple commercial, as well as your higher-res samples of it on Cornica, all play on my emulated mac using quicktime 4.0.3. However, the ad video I linked above also plays on the quicktime 2.5 player, so its video encoding is more compatible with the older versions of quicktime. I hope these details help my friend!

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Nicolas announced his beta of Cornica almost exactly seven years ago on valentine's day Smile thanks again for this, Bolkonskij!

What process and hw/sw are you using to convert youtube videos? As a side note, both Chrome OS and Android versions of VLC can play these videos and show encoding details, which is a easy way to see what macs they can play on.

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I just wanted to compliment Bolkonskij on reviving Cornica, because as someone who wasn't in the Mac scene back then, I never had a chance to test it out, and I must say, it's great.
I've tested it with Netscape 7 (I think; the 2003 verison) on my B&W G3, without any issues. It's really cool to stream videos on my 20 something years old PPC. Just like @cbone said, I'd like too to know what process do you have to convert the videos so that I can try to make some myself.
EDIT: I've just tested it on my PB G4 1,33 and it's as great, and of course faster. I think that Cornica should be also known outside of the Mac scene, because I'm sure that old Windows laptop could see a tad more use if people knew such a site existed.

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Thanks for the feedback, guys! That's really encouraging! My conversion process is far from perfect and rather tedious and involves two machines (a Mac Pro for the download from YouTube and my PowerMac G4 MDD for the practical work). Even on my Dual 1.67Ghz G4 setup it takes some time to convert stuff. I will post a detailed description with links to the used software to convert the stuff on the Cornica site, so anyone interested will be able to look it up. I wonder what other people's ways are or if we'll be able to find an easier way. (anyone know of a program that can convert .mp4 to .mov in OS9?)

Other than that, I'm glad to say that I've started coding the back-end for the new Cornica, a database will keep track of everything as Cornica grows. If I get my PowerMac 8600 back up I'll also have a good testing of various settings on that machine.

Can't wait for the weekend, already made plans for the wife and kids to get away ... Wink

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Woohoo, have fun this weekend! Smile

As I'm researching older video codecs and players, I've unearthed a couple of players and one windows-based encoder that creates video that is mac-compatible but only on it's own player, even though I'm sure it creates a quicktime-compatible video file. I used the sample avi file I was given before to encode video with their encoder. It plays fine with their 68k player on Basilisk and with all VLC versions I tried, except the Chrome OS version. The windows version also gave me encoding details, although I figure all other desktop versions would also provide codec details.

It showed that that it was encoded with Smacker Video (SMK4) and Smacker Audio (SMKA).

Boy, I love to ramble, lol Smile my point, which I totally forgot to make, was that this is another 'new', 68k friendly video codec format I happened upon for legacy macs that might be found useful for the Cornica web video library project.

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Well, weekend didn't went exactly as planned (child no. 2 developed a tonsilitis, so we went and played the search-a-pediatrist-a-weekend game) but things got better by now.

I've worked on Cornica and came up with a design that will work even on Netscape 3 (heard that m68k? Smile ) and has a 90s flair yet still isn't eye-cancer. Well, I'll let you guys judge on the latter (soon) Smile

Meanwhile I've got permission of 65scribe from YouTube (Hi, Jay! ) to convert his videos and put them on Cornica. He says he may even mention Cornica in one of his future video, which would be awesome. God bless the man! Smile

Regarding the Codecs we're at crossroads now. I've been tinkering some more with cinepak vs. sorenson. With the exact same settings, Sorenson produces about 50% smaller files at a (noteable!) higher quality.
Deciding to go exclusively for Sorenson would mean to exclude those with a 030 & 040 Mac. (but is there anyone?)

On the other hand, if using cinepak as the standard code everyone else gets higher file sizes and less quality. And I'm not sure just how many people would be interested in streaming Quicktime video on their Quadra 800s.

The easiest way would be to consistently provide TWO versions but that would mean a lot of extra work. Every video needs to be processed and the same would go for user submitted videos. That's a lot of handwork I'd rather like to avoid.

If using a 040 Mac, I suppose you'd be streaming a small 10MB clip rather than the 300 MB Computer Chronicles episode, so a compromise might be using cinepak for smaller clips and sorenson for the rest.

What do you guys think about it?

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A couple of summers ago, I set out to encode some video for 68k macs when I came across the first Quadra beautifully playing full-screen cinepak video. I know Sorenson blows Cinepak out of the water, but I'm hoping the following resources may yield better encodes and minimally, that short 68k-playable Cinepak clips may also be part of the Cornica project:

This Apple 1984 commercial plays smoothly on Quicktime 2.5, but Quicktime 4.0.3 plays more types. I jotted down some specs of the 1984 ad video to ID its Cinepak encoding details.

Cinepak Pro appears to be the best 68k encoder. A page from a video compression book details some background and features of this enhanced version of Cinepak. The Cinepak Pro site compares Pro, promising to deliver better output at lower bitrates than regular Cinepak. Someone testing Cinepak's encoding settings greatly detailed his process and findings in this post, which I found very insightful! This link mentions 3 versions of Cinepak and Indeo 3, where Indeo 3.x offers higher quality compression but uses more cpu to decode than Cinepak, but Indeo might be ppc-only?

I uploaded a proprietary FAT player to the Garden called Smacker Player. I encoded some video on my Win 10 pc w/their encoder and played it back on my 68k Mac. This has been my sole successful encode of a 68k video w/working audio. I used the uploaded Cinepak samples I received (here's my original videohelp post), in order for their encoder to work.

A few more links to chew on:
Cinepak's technical specs
Cinepak Windows codec downloads
Cinepak's connection to game titles like Myst

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cbone, that's amazing! You're way ahead in codec / Quicktime knowledge than I am. Thank you very much for sharing all your insights / experience with us! I'll have to wait for the next coffee break to study them all, but will sure read up all the stuff. You definitely deserve a honorable mention on Cornica for your help Smile

Yesterday evening I was frustrated with the prospect of locking out 68k users from Cornica. I always wanted to include them, so I did some more testing, Specifically to get file size down with the cinepak codec. Interestingly I ended up with the 15 fps setting as a compromise as you did (prior all videos had 24 fps). It considerably saves file size / performance on older systems. I will download Cinepak Pro now and see if it'll help. But I'm now more than ever leaning towards a high-res and low-res version of the videos - even if that means to take the extra mile.

Too bad, still haven't got the chance to get my hands on a 030 or 040 Mac. I'm having an eye on a Performa 475 (essentially a Quadra 605) on German ebay as it'd be a perfect machine for testing. Hope I can get it for a reasonable price.

Say, is there any other way to get in touch with you other than posting in this thread? (ICQ, Facebook, ... ?)

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just shot you an email Smile

Don't overlook the power of Basilisk II, I'm playing all of my 68k videos on the android version on my touchscreen chromebook flip, the emulator's output is displaying 1280 by 800 display resolution (native to my chromebook), running Mac OS 8.1 with millions of colors, and my virtual Mac setup looks amazing when I output it at full 1080p to my TV via HDMI! The OS (visually) prefers 1024 x 600 on my chromebook's display, and the little videos I play back great on my little Classic Chromintosh!

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So I thought I'd post a little status update here.

- We're close to enter an open beta.
- That is also thanks to cbone's continuous help with the codec for 68k and low-end machines.
- He and a few others agreed do some testing this week.
- I'll also have to finish coding the upload function for users (last big to-do).
- Design works great with older browsers. (read IE4, Netscape) so even on old 68k Macs should be able to watch some video entertainment Smile
- If things go well, I'll be the owner of some Quadras tonight though not sure about the state they are in. ( would be excellent for testing though)

I have added more videos since the prototype, some of the stuff is being really interesting. (like Mr. Sculley predicting the future of computing in 1992)

Plans are to start over the course of the next weekend but then of course there's always family & work first. I hope none of the kids get sick or something.

I'll post here as soon there's any news.

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That's awesome news, man! Keep us posted.

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Sooo, we're entering open beta status. And we got a domain too. The new home for orphaned Quicktime movies on the net will be:

http://www.cornica.org

On a sidenote: I've been offered the cornica.com domain for a mere 2.500 $ but thankfully declined - thus we're on .org.

As I've written before, the whole design is hand-coded according to HTML 3.2 standards which means that just about any late 90s browser will be able to display it fine. Can't get any more 90s in webdesign than this Smile Please let me know if something is not working!

I've decided to start with a "basic feature set" instead of waiting for everything to be ready. Both movies and features will be added as we go along. All changes will be noted in the news on the first page of Cornica.

I'd also like to express my thank you to cbone for his help with the codecs, Nicolas Bahamondes for supporting my plans of revival of Cornica and of course fogwraith for his generous offer to host movies over at the mighty Mac Garden servers. Remind me to pay you a beer next time we meet Smile Awesome, guys!

For now - enjoy Cornica

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Ha, ha, that price will come down significantly. I was offered similar things for my domains over the years!

Ah, a sarsaparilla float, now that's an oldie but goodie, just like these precious Cornica videos Smile

Keep feeding our old Macs, Bolkonskij, and we'll keep 'em chompin' away! Laughing out loud

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Clicked the link, scrolled down the page a bit, and was greeted with the most 90s website thing of all: a hit counter for the page. About every homegrown, geocities website had one of these at the main bottom of the page. I was literally hit with a nostalgia sledgehammer. Once again, thumbs up for the great work.

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Thanks for trying out capt_chuckl3s! Smile

Yes, I thought that hit counter was really a must-have Wink ... which brings me up to the next on the bullet, we need a cheesy 90s-style guestbook ... Smile

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Finally! Thanks for you hard work !

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Just thought I'd post an quick update here - work on Cornica continues! Still ironing out a few little bugs. Lots of new videos added also. Here is the latest news item from Cornica.org:

Lots of new content added. We've got well over 100+ Quicktime videos online for your viewing pleasure! Almost all categories had updates. I've added several new video for Macintosh games and commercials.

There's a bunch of new videos in the documentary section, including a short one on Animatrix - the guys & gals that did the famous "Guided Tour" animations for Apple!

For some extra 80s & 90s nostalgia check out the two Making Of videos on Knight Rider and Babylon 5.

P.S. Don't forget to peek into the new Applications section.

As always, let me know if something doesn't work or you miss something, please!

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Wow, awesome update Smile it feels like the beginning of YouTube again, but just for Classic Macs and other old systems out there. My hope is that your amazing old-school video site along with macOStoday.com and its superb Cheat Emporium will spur us to do our own retro-sites as well as help out with your excellent sites, like working on how-to and other fun videos from our own Macs for Cornica.org.

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Thanks for the kind words! Ain't nothing better than knowing that what you do is appreciated. It keeps motivation up and kind of justifies the hours you spend on this stuff.

If we all would learn to show a bit more appreciation to the people doing stuff for us, things would be so much better. Like take fogwraith, who does a super awesome job running the Macintosh Garden. And yet, most of what he hears all the time is people nagging about this and that. Instead they could simply once say "Thanks for making it possible for me to enjoy my childhood games again - no "donation" required!". But they don't. That's a pity.

Yes, I sincerely hope that it encourages others to start thinking about projects for classic Macs. Those are neither obsolete nor dead and actually it's in our hands what we make of it. There's so much potential left and everyone can contribute one way or the other. Most of all, with very little you can make an impact!

Maybe we should set up a thread where we collect "ideas" in the style of bounties and then whoever would like to do it can take that as an inspiration and start working on it?

Back to Cornica - I plan on doing some Tutorial videos myself. Currently digging through the video category here, unearthing stuff like Spectator for recording desktop video on MacOS hardware. And if I can get @Knez to do it, we may also make a tutorial on how to change the (noisy) fans in a MDD. (as a Quicktime video, to watch on your MDD of course Smile )

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Hey man! Freakin' awesome job on Cornica! Love it! Laughing out loud

I'm still by MacOSToday every once in a while, but not much happening there as of late Sad Possibly my fault?! Tongue

+1 on both cbone's as well as your comment! These small signs of appreciation (or even mild amusement) is exactly what us 'crazy ones' need to keep on going with our contribution to the classic Mac community - not because any praise is needed, but because it gives us a gut feeling on whether you're putting down all the work hours for your own private pleasure or for the greater good. I've touched on the subject before in one of the threads of one of my applications...

Anyways, truly appreciated, man! Now, get that MacOSToday news section updated with some crazy new Classic Mac OS software! Tongue

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On a more relevant note: I still have my collection of Apple QuickTime movies on disk if you're interested! Was kind of saving them for the official release of ScreenShow (previously Seagull AutoPlay), but what the heck Tongue

Here's the list of the ones I have immediately available:

APPLE ATTRACT LOOPS
iBook G3.mov
iBook G3 DV.mov
iBook G3 SE.mov
iBook G3 Snow.mov
iMac G3 Colors.mov
iMac G3 DV.mov
Power Mac G3.mov
Power Mac G4.mov
Power Mac G4 Cube.mov
Power Mac G4 Gigabit.mov
PowerBook G3 Lombard.mov
PowerBook G3 Pismo.mov
PowerBook G4 Titanium.mov

APPLE CLASSICS
[resolution] iMac G3, Beige.mov
[resolution] iMac G3, Three Steps.mov
[resolution] iMac G3, Traffic.mov
[resolution] iMac G3, Un-PC.mov
[resolution] Macintosh, Real Genius.mov
[resolution] Power Mac G3 Beige, Snail.mov
[resolution] Power Mac G3 Beige, Toasted.mov
20th Anniversary Macintosh, Obsession.mov
Apple, Crazy Ones.mov
Apple, Power.mov
Macintosh, 1984
Power Mac G4, Weapon.mov
PowerBook G3 Lombard, Flattened.mov
PowerBook, Run Away.mov
Quadra, Your Imagination.mov

APPLE COMMERCIALS
[resolution] iMac G3, Two Roads.mov
AirPort, Wireless.mov
iBook G3 SE, Special Edition.mov
iBook G3 Snow, Your Life.mov
iBook G3, In Love.mov
iBook G3, My Whole World.mov
iMac G3 Colors, Rainbow.mov
iMac G3 DV SE, Tinted Windows.mov
iMac G3 DV, Cruise Line.mov
iMac G3 DV, Decor.mov
iMac G3 DV+ SE, Snow.mov
Power Mac G3, Open-Minded.mov
Power Mac G4 Cube, 8-Inch.mov
PowerBook G4 Titanium, Portable Supercomputer.mov
Pro Mouse, Optical.mov

APPLE INTRODUCTIONS
[resolution] iMac G3.mov
[resolution] Power Mac G3.mov
20th Anniversary Macintosh.mov
iBook G3 Snow.mov
iMac G4.mov
iPod.mov
Power Mac G4 Cube.mov
Power Mac G4 Quicksilver.mov
PowerBook G4 Titanium.mov

APPLE VR OBJECTS
20th Anniversary Macintosh
AirPort.mov
AirPort Extreme.mov
Cinema Display 15".mov
Cinema Display 22".mov
iBook G3 [Blueberry].mov
iBook G3 [Tangerine].mov
iBook G3 DV.mov
iBook G3 Snow.mov
iMac G3
iMac G3 Colors.mov
iMac G3 DV.mov
iMac G3 DV SE.mov
iMac G4.mov
iPod.mov
Power Mac G3.mov
Power Mac G4.mov
Power Mac G4 Cube.mov
Power Mac G4 Quicksilver.mov
Power Mac G4 Quicksilver [Cinema Display].mov
PowerBook G3 Lombard.mov
PowerBook G3 Pismo.mov
PowerBook G4 Titanium.mov
Pro Mouse.mov
Pro Speakers.mov
Studio Display 17".mov
Studio Display 21".mov

The ones designated '[resolution]' are lower than 320x240. Still missing the original iBook G3 introduction. Its available on YouTube here. Reached out to the uploader ('TheAppleFanBoy') through his blog a couple of YEARS ago, but he has yet to come back to me on whether he'd like to share the wealth...

Let me know if they're of interest, and, if so, where you'd like me to upload them for you Smile

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Are you kidding me, those would be a phenomenal addition to Cornica Laughing out loud and they're ready-to-go to boot, or ready-to-play rather!

On the missing iBook G3 intro, would it degrade the video if the YouTube version would be converted and added that way? At least until the original video is provided or otherwise locate them somewhere, you know? Just a thought Smile

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Totally in love with my own collection of Apple QTs Tongue PS: The ones listed are just my own picks for keeps (1GB). Have another 1GB of Apple commercials on CD on the west coast (think pre-G3 and post-G4) that I didn't include in my personal final collection. More than happy to share those as well if there is interest Smile

Thought about it for a second, but estimate the iBook introduction to be a 160x120 Sorenson re-encoded to 256x144 h264 re-encoded (or re-muxed?!) to 256x144 webm (as Google continues its crusade to lock down YouTube). I imagine screen recording back to 256x144 h264 and re-encoding back to 160x120 Sorenson would make for one hot gooey mess Sad But I might be wrong Smile

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Great to hear from you again! I've got some of those videos on my HDD (getting ready to add them) but not the complete beast! Could you upload it somewhere?

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Good to be back, if only for a minute Smile

The whole lot is 1GB, and don't have enough server space myself Sad Have asked a friend for a favor just now Wink

That is, unless you have a better idea on how I can unload them in a .sit-file to you?!

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I may be able to open up some room in my cloud Smile

I think google drive could also work; I forget how the sharing part goes, it's been a good minute! Laughing out loud

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Thanks, friend Wink

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U bet, bro! Anytime, happy to pitch-in! Laughing out loud

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There! The entire load should now be available at cbone's cloud drive (5 separate .sit files according to category).

Let me know if you want the 'other' GB of Apple QuickTime movies as well. Won't be able to reach them until easter at the earliest - or even later if the state enforces forced duties on me during this state of emergency. Would be cool with a heads up in advance anyways Wink

Enjoy Smile

BryMD signing out!

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Bolkonskij, you bastard! Tongue You had the the iBook G3 introduction in glorious 320x240 all along?!! Laughing out loud And I who have searched the deepest holes of the internet for it without any luck! The last piece of the puzzle *instantly added to my collection*

Now, if I only I could find the iMac G3 commercials in higher resolution... Wink

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Ha ha ha, now that was hilarious, Bry, you and Bolkonskij totally made my week! Laughing out loud I'm also very glad you got the missing link, yay! Party

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I wanted to use my iBook G3 to work without being distracted durning the quarentine, but I ended up spending much of my time on Cornica instead!

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You and me both! Those are some of the problems of a Classic Mac user, lol! Laughing out loud

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Do these videos actually work on old hardware (not emulators?) I ask because on my 500Mhz G3 iMac even the "PPC not required" videos can use up to 80% CPU.
Whilst testing various formats on my iMac I've found only marginal benefits in CPU useage from Sorenson 3 over low bitrate MPEG4 - though I don't know how far back compatibility goes for MPEG4 - but file size is much more optimal.

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I know MP4 worked better on faster specs. AVI-compatible codecs were better suited for your iMac, with the sweet spot being 3ivx on those machines on both OS9 and early OSX: 3ivx.com offers DivX Doctor II, which converts DivX AVI videos to MOV videos for smoother playback on Mac OS9 and OSX. One of the Classic Mac sites and/or here in the forum posts there are more details on getting smooth video playback on G3s.

Are you playing offline YouTube videos and/or running OS9 or OSX? Your setup can help zero in on the best video codec and setup for your iMac.

The videos on Cornica.org are all 100% compatible on pre-G3 PowerPC Macs w/QuickTime, but they are all low-resolution under full-SD 480p Smile so their hosted videos aren't not on the high-end side of things at all. For that, the 3ivx info is what you want to shoot for as far as smooth video playback with less CPU processing.

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My G3 iMac is running OSX Tiger and the high CPU use was when playing online (some of that CPU is the caching of the video), if I download and play a "PPC not needed" file it pushes the CPU to around 70% in QuickTime - my comment was based on those figures - it's seem a pre PPC machine would struggle?
It's incredible the differences between codecs on different systems. On my Mac Pro, Cinepak out of MPEG Streamclip has to be a very high bitrate (2000kbps+) to retain quality, whereas outputing from OS9/QuickTime on my G4 iMac I can slash those bitrates by half.

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thanks for the feedback, dronecatcher! cbone pretty much said what there is to say. You experience the heavy load with any video or is it just one? Could you test performance in OS9 on your iMac G3? What version of Quicktime are you using?

I've got feedback today from a user that tested Cornica on his 68k Performa 475 with Quicktime 2.5 and he said he could play the low res cinepak files fine. I don't have a 68k machine for testing, but I do test Cornica on my 8600/200 and it works fine (though you can tell the performance bump when playing locally vs. attempting to stream via browser plug-in)

I imagine some of the bigger videos (like an entire Computer Chronicles episode) might be too taxing for many systems. (which is why I'll move to shorter excerpts). After all, web streaming and video playback was still in its infancy during the 90s. Will see what I can do.

However, thanks for your valuable feedback!

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My G3 iMac has QuickTime 7.6.4 and it's OSX only currently.
I don't have any problem with the files but just wondered if they were ok on lower systems based on my figures.
I'm playing through Safari 4 and so far all the "nonPPC" videos hit the CPU around 80-85% but that halves once the video is fully buffered.
I was having a look at various video formats to see if I could suggest anything more optimal for your site but I think I must have false memories of Cinepak and Sorenson 3 needing less CPU - on my iMac they're not far off MPEG4 and Xvid.
I'll have a look at outputs from my Powerbook next, see if they present anything different.

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I've got a collection of old Quicktime videos that I used to play on my 68k Macs; 320x240 Cinepak always worked; Sorenson 3 didn't work on my 030 devices at that resolution. Once I hit PPC, Sorenson 3 worked just fine at 640x480. At G3, MP2 or early DivX worked fine, and MPEG4/XviD were fine at appropriate settings.

Back in the early days of OS X, Perian was a must for watching videos, and then when Quicktime X came along, VLC was the go-to playing platform.

Note that some of the early encodings don't play properly past QuickTime 4 unless you convert them. After QuickTIme 7, you can't even convert most of the early codecs.