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The complaint email wasn't originally sent to me.

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So then. . . who was it sent to?
Did maedi get it?
Where's Maedi at?
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? Laughing out loud

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....¨As I said i wrote them an email and i didn't get a response.
Maybe if Balrog wrote an email(originating for mac garden) we'd get a response.¨...

- nmz502 is right, balrog. we need somebody responsible for this site to write there and get some response... of any kind.

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You guys, jeez. Why not just wave a red flag in front of the bull while you're at it? Seriously, who the hell would make up something like that anyway?

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We should just forget about it, re-upload everything, and bring up evidence of possible fraud if ever taken to court.

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@MCP, a troll, remember "Drew hause"? All he/she would have to do is google EA enforcement, send an email to our site and tell us to take down all the games.
Why? Because we closed his spammer account.

I don't know. Just a guess.

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Let's say it's a fake. It's not, but let's say it is. So, the response to it is to draw EA's attention to the site? Bad idea. Let sleeping dogs lie.

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Someone needs to look at the headers...

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First off, as far as attracting EA's attention by asking permission and getting them mad, they would get mad or do what exactly? All the content has been removed! Geez folks, grow a pair and ask for distribution rights! I have asked for rights to post all kinds of older content from several companies, and after reaching the right person (usually someone with marketing) and explaining that I would be happy to include what ever advertising blurb they saw fit to draw up in file that outlines the grant of distribution rights such that said blurb get people to visit their site where they sell stuff, in exchange for giving them something that they are now making no money off anyway, I have met with success more than once. It is free advertising and free positive publicity for the company! IF the email was legitimate (and I say if), it was probably sent by one person, from one department, without any real discussion with upper management. Even upper management was aware and endorsed the decision, it could be reversed if other considerations are brought to their attention. EA has a ton of bad press, this could give them good PR and would cost them nothing. Who is the site owner? (Owns the domain, pays the bills, etc?) They should make the request.

Here is an example where someone else got permission to distribute copyrighted material: http://www.harmlesslion.com/cgi-bin/showprog.cgi?search=Classic99
Classic99 is a freeware TI-99/4A emulator for Windows 9x. Classic99 runs most stuff fine:

-System ROMs and many cartridges are INCLUDED under license from Texas Instruments
-boots and runs all console OS functions (except cassette I/O) and TI BASIC correctly
-most modules seem to work fine

Balrog's picture
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Read up a bit on how EA (and most other companies) does stuff. Legal departments usually aren't very permissive.

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Put Klik & Play back up, because it was never owned by Maxis or Electronic Arts.

Sierra published Ultima II for Origin, does that make Activision Blizzard owner of the Ultima series? Nope. EA owns it.

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I think this is a bit sad about software preservation... OK, for the SiMS I would understand, this one is still worked on, at least on the successors, but SimCity &c.? We'll see in 6 years...

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How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

Thanks for the free English lesson

BTW, ya´all finish cleanin´ tha spiderwebs from the servers

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Is this a reason why EA asked us to remove their stuff?:
http://www.superlevel.de/spiele/die-nacht-des-meteors-night-of-the-meteor
The comments on that site reads this:

Presentation and Gags of this teaser let us hope about big things. The developers seems to know what they do. Are they allowed to collect money or is collecting money not allowed because of copyright things?

They're even not allowed to use the characters, the setting or the music – anyway, INEEDTHISGAMEIMMEDIATELYNOW!

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Sent em another letter again, I hope it reaches someone with a HEART (not likely at their IP division).

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Anybody know where I CAN find a copy of the original SimCity. I've read all this stuff about EA and understand the issues, but does anyone know of anywhere else I can obtain this game? (If you don't want to communicate over the forum feel free to email me at cambrianexplosion at hotmail.com.)

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eBay?

Temporary Joe's picture
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There ARE other Mac abandonware sites out there besides the Garden.

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Shock Were sewed.

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How about compilation downloads?

Download packs with multiple, EA and non-EA games aswell, filenames are just abbreviations, and such.

Or like in Commodore 64 compilation disks, multiple games on one disk image?

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This is ridiculous!!!

In fact, this has me SO perturbed, I wrote a blog entry on it.

Click here to read it > http://tinyurl.com/eastinks

Do yourself a favor & read it -- I think you'll find it most enlightening ....

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forbidden?

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Ignore it, it was an Illegal stop and desist notice in the first place. Karen Jessop is a US paralegal which means that since this letter came from a US Paralegal, the notice falls under US jurisdiction no matter where the server and website is located. In 2006, the US Librarian of Congress enacted a few clauses that make Archivng software for non-infringing purposes and distribution freely available to the public as long as A) The hardware these unsupported software versions run on are obsolete and no longer updated, B) the media that these titles come on are obsolete.

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Typical EA nonsense... Concerned with profit and profit only. It's not like they even sell these games now...

Okay, I know this is an old thread and there's all sorts of legalities being thrown around, but I wonder if somebody would be so kind as to share their copy of Sim Farm with me?

When I was a much younger person, my older brother and I bought Sim Farm at the store. Sadly, over the years and different computers, my version has become corrupted. Sad The game crashes and the irrigation ditches don't work any more. I still have the floppy disks they came on, but no way to read them (and heck, who knows if they even hold data now. I can provide photographic proof of this on request.

I really miss playing it...

I sent an email to EA, but you can guess how many ____s they gave. No response.

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I know this is an old thread

But it is still current, and will stay.

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If I'd upload something of Abandonware owned (or now owned) by EA and get a reaction, I'd respond with:

"We know you're taking offense by Abandonware, but you don't sell these good old games anymore. I also know that every time you release a new game, it only becomes much less appealing and more irritating to the customers because of your ridiculous DRM (Internet connection), wasted cash on advertising, and held-back content through DLCs. If you're telling me to wipe away your old classic games from Macintosh Garden just so you can ensure your later games are bought so that you can continue to be hurtful, piss off!
I'd rather please my fellows than worship you. You greedy sons of bitches also rush your games out and use DLCs just because you think money is a thousand times more important than happy customers. MAKE me take away your games from the Macintosh Garden, because I think you want money just to exist. I bet your founder, Trip Hawkins, is definitely dissapointed with you right now"

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How about placing some EA banners in trade for making the abandonware of EA freely available...

This is a site for the purest software lovers, so the impact of software commercials is absolutely the highest over here...

Using abandonware for marketing purposes in selling their newest software is like selling icecream on a hot summerday to icecreamlovers. I think it would be a very efficient marketing tactic that could save EA quite some budget, and saving budget is something every company wants to hear. This is their icecream...

Besides that, it could also boost up the capacity of the site allowing more games to be fully downloadable from the site itself.

It is just a thought. What are your opinions???

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This is so f***ing stupid. Fck EA.

How is EA's views on abandonware now? Have they changed? I hope so.

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According to the System Shock 2 wikipedia page (here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2 at the bottom where it says "Intellectual property debacle and re-release"), EA no longer owns the copy right to the System Shock series. Can someone please reupload the first game. And EA, if you have a problem with this can you blow it out your @$$.

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You know, EA seems to be literately selling all their "failed" projects by the pound. I just found out they sold the right's to their old Wasteland game to inXile Entertainment. I hope American McGee's Alice is next, then it can finally receive the sequel it deserves.

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ok, its good!

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Guys...anybody have an update as to which of kataetheweirdo's list of EA games is still in EA's intellectual compliance radar? Do we dare test the waters?

kataetheweirdo's list from 2010:
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@ Balrog:
Autoduel
Comanche Mac
Deer Avenger 2
Wolfpack
Sub Battle Simulator (both Color and b/w)
PT-109
PT Boat Simulator
A-Train
Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge
SimCity Classic (need to remove screenshots)
SimCity 2000 Collection
SimAnt
SimEarth
SimTown
SimLife
SimTower (possibly YootTower, because it was designed by the same guy (Yoot Saito))
SimSafari
Robosport
SimIsle - Missions in the Rainforest
Widget Workshop - A Mad Scientist's Laboratory
Klik & Play (published by Maxis in the U.S.)
Full Tilt! Pinball
A-Train
American McGee's Alice
Archon
Deluxe Music Construction Set 2.5
Future Cop: LAPD
Madden NFL 2000
PowerPoker
WarCraft II (Battle.net Edition) (According to the Author tags)
System Shock
Studio 1
4D Boxing
PGA Tour Golf 2
Pinball Construction Set
Populous
Populous II: Trials of the Olympian Gods
Bard's Tale
Powermonger
Grand Prix Circuit
SkyFox
Star Flight
Star Flight II
Chuck Yeager's Air Combat
One on One
Patton Versus Rommel
Syndicate
Theme Park
Ogre
Moebius: The Orb of Celestial Harmony
Omega
Super Wing Commander
System Shock
Wing Commander IV
El-Fish
Any Creative Wonder games (i.e. Madeline)
Command and Conquer
Legend of Kryndia 1 (both versions) & 3
...
that's all I can find.

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You can remove these items from the list:
• A-Train - Only the version from the release year 1990 (known as A-Train III in Japan) was published by Maxis outside of Japan (Artdink in Japan).
• Sim Tower - Only the English version was published by Maxis outside of Japan (OPeNBook in Japan).
• System Shock - Night Dive Studios also acquired the rights to System Shock.
• Yoot Tower - Not released by Maxis but Sega.
• WarCraft series - Not released by EA but Blizzard.

I do not know about the status of the applications because EA stopped releasing them in mid of the 1990s. EA is now what was EA Games and EA Sports then. The company Electronic Arts that released the applications was closed down in 1999.

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You'll find that game like Warcraft are done by Blizzard under license to EA, so EA does still own the actual legal and distribution rights.

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Some of the old EA games are available in updated / wrapper versions for modern computers at GOG.com (Good Old Games) - currently on sale at 75% discount for the next two-and-a-half days (at post time).

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Would like to put in my two cents here, even though the subject matter is 9 years old now...

My comment is: If EA is still doing this to anybody, they should go f@$! themselves. This seems to be the same sort of thing that a character from the television show "The Simpsons" - C. Montgomery Burns (look him up if you like) - would do. (Shortly put, that character is an "evil" man, who seems to be concerned with only himself, his net worth, and his profits - much like EA.)

(Side note: I saw a horoscope meme on Google Images at one point that had the EA logo above the name of the horoscope sign "Cancer". That seems to be exactly how many of you feel... and, if they still have the gall to send cease-and-desist letters for games that are technically abandonware, I'd tend to feel the same way as well.)

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Wow, I just read a little bit of this thread, and man was the EA Gestapo was ruthless. Raises the question, do they still sell copies of SimAnt or SimCity? I mean I haven't seen anything in the App Store or on shelves at the local WalMart. Hopefully the issue got resolved. I still haven't pardoned EA for releasing Mass Effect: Andromeda Wink

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Its a lawyer thing: If you see a specific copyright of yours violated and you don't act to defend it, then future violators can claim that you abandoned it.
Some companies adopt the attitude "we are not doing anything with it now, but we just might do something in the future".

And if they got a bunch of shysters on their payroll anyway, then those folks might just as well earn their keep for a change.

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Yeah you're right. On the other hand, I'm kind of glad that they haven't done anything with SimAnt or SimCity because they'll just destroy both franchises like they did with Mass Effect and Star Wars Battlefront.

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The catch here is the legal *requirement* of publically listed companies to protect the assets of the corporation as the property of the shareholders.
Privately owned outfits can afford to just give up SW titles. But anyone owned by a 3rd party has to be able to legally defend such a decision to said other parties - or they risk running afoul of the law.

Just sending out "cease and desist" letters is the safer course of action for them.