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Confirmation that Apple will drop the 32-bit architecture

Sorry to announce that, Sad but just read that :

New apps submitted to the Mac App Store must support 64-bit starting January 2018, and Mac app updates and existing apps must support 64-bit starting June 2018. If you distribute your apps outside the Mac App Store, we highly recommend distributing 64-bit binaries to make sure your users can continue to run your apps on future versions of macOS. macOS High Sierra will be the last macOS release to support 32-bit apps without compromise. For more information, read the 64-Bit Transition Guide.

You can find it on the bottom of this page.

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A big issue with emulators for MacOS 7 to 9, I know. A 64bit version of MiniVMac is non existent too AFAIK, but I guess it will be possible.
As posted in another thread, nobody can stop me running Snow Leopard, Windows XP and the like on my old rigs. New Macs with macOS 10.13 or higher will indeed have a problem.
Windows 10 however does still run e.g. Basilisk II Build 142 without issues. That said, it looks like a simple choice on what kind of host OS the old MacOS is going to be emulated. Smile
Sad to see this route being taken, HFS host support was a real life saver in many cases, but my guess is that this will be dropped by Apple too soon enough.

Back in the days, I bought a brand new PowerMac 7100AV with monitor for round about € 6000.
Such a thing is not going to happen ever again.

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Sorry to confirm what u fear about that. I'm not interesting in new Macs, at least for this reason, but also, because they will not run old os & especially old 32-bit apps. However, I was remembering the old Macs & I regret to have not bought a 7100 myself some years ago (not enough money). But we can look at this "gallery" if we are nostalgic of the past. Wink

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Well, I learned the hard way that I bought outdated "crap" from Apple only a few weeks after handing over the money. The advertised AV abilities came out to be an old Philips chipset and my Nubus motherboard was practically obsolete with the move to PCI. Not to mention the ancient SCSI chipset and the disastrous adjustable keyboard.
The 7100AV itself was pretty reliable and less affected with system freezes than other Macs I recall.
All in all a good story how to get rid of customers. Wink

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Yep, right to mention that. I remember, indeed, that the 7100 was the most reliable Mac of his era. Smile

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What brand of computer was it that came with a recommendation to "drop" it from a height of about three inches, to help "seat" the chips in sockets ?

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I think that was the Apple IIe.

Correction, it was the Apple III

Apple advised customers to tilt the front of the Apple III six inches above the desk, and then drop it to reseat the chips.

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Ow, six not three inches - that can't be good... for the desk. I wasn't sure if it was an Apple, either... Woz once said like "I made the first personal computer according to all of you, and it was the Apple ][. But, the Apple III was the first personal computer made by a committee." He hated the A3, especially the toggle switch that put it into A2-mode. "Why would anybody want a toggle switch that makes the hardware perform worse?" he'd said.

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The gallery's "beauty shots" are really nice, thanks.

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YW. I own some of them... Apart from that, I will add here some emulators (running in Classic) of old computers very soon. Smile

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€ 6000 = Ouch. Do you still have such a beast?

I have a Centris 660av in fine working order. Tho' these days its main use is floppy archiving. - Still, 24 years old and still running is pretty good going.

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A big issue with emulators for MacOS 7 to 9

Only for existing versions of the emulators. All it needs is for updated versions to be made, assuming whoever makes them wants to bother.

Newer computers have been emulating older machines for years. You can emulate an ancient 8-bit systems like the Commodore Vic20 (and even older systems) on a new Mac with no issues. Smile

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That "//fx" was something, eh? it was almost self aware or something, and cost 10-12G .

Anyway, when I was into dial-up modems and BBSes, everyone hated The Phone Company. Now Apple IS the phone company.

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Yep, I have discovered Apple through the IIfx... And, yes, this machine is also a legend.

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Some guys with more knowledge than I´ll ever acquire are about to build a 64bit SheepShaver for HS and above, so there is hope for new Macs.

https://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9535

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Good to know that, indeed. I hope BII & in the other hand, MinivMac will take the same way...

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After a few SDL improvements, kanjitalk755 posted a new SheepShaver 64bit build which outperforms my old iMac Bondi Blue by far.
Host OS is Sierra, cpu is i5-2520M

Sheep_64

Link to the latest .dmg: https://github.com/kanjitalk755/macemu/releases

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Excellent ! Wink