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He's not the only one admin to upload a missing old Mac software. Wink In this occasion, I wanna congratulate all the heroes here for all their findings. The list will reduce gradually to 50 wanted...

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shit, I entered the post with my pants down ... lol

I realized just that (CDs and floppy disks) 10 years ago. In 2011 I bought an external hard drive and started to copy the contents of the CDs and floppy disks to it. Most of my content was for PCs, so I sent them to a Brazilian website called datassette, I have some content for mac (1995, 96, 97 ...) but most are shareware, and I thought it was useless and offensive to share them (offensive: I would be really pissed if I was making something I really wanted, and when I finally find it, its fkng shareware)

Anyway, legal content sites like macintosh garden, one day disappear (due to legal problems with some idiotic company) so I downloaded a good part of the site to my system.

It may be a little off topic, but I met the owner of a major abandonware gaming site, gameswin.org was one of the biggest abandonware sites, and last year it closed its doors. Luckily the owner warned me that he would close it (copyright issues) so I started to download all available content. I even plan to create a new website, I'm not going to monetize it, I'm just going to keep it to preserve the software's memory. I know archive.org, but in my opinion it is a little disorganized, in my opinion, the software needs to be very well categorized and discriminated (with photos, videos, years of release, patches, description, history, etc.). Good is a project that I will work on in my spare time, and that I am in no hurry to launch. With all this I mean: Save EVERYTHING you find, thank god I saved everything I wanted from isozone, and the roms that I liked best about emuparadise, I have about 4TB of separate storage for this type of backup.

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Business Simulator (1987)

I think you can strike this one off the list and add it to Daxeria's name in the list of Heroes Smile

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There’s a sealed copy of Goldfinger on eBay right now for $1,000. Any heroes with deep pockets?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Goldfinger-James-Bond-007-Macintosh-512-single-...

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It's a grand because it's unopened for collector purposes! Shock

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I've got about 1100 or so Mac floppies from 1987-1993 and I am fairly confident that I have MORE II and QuickMail 1.x (User and Admin disks) The QuickMail disks should be virgin. I'm not sure about MORE II. (My QuickMail disks are copyright 1988, which I'm pretty sure makes them 1.x)

I'm pretty new here so give me a couple of days to get the hang of uploading but I hope to have some other obscure gems that I can add.

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Wow, that's excellent news, Purdy Laughing out loud we most welcome every single byte we can preserve from the early Mac years!

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Yep! We'll appreciate any contribution. Don't worry if an entry is not "perfect", the rest of us™ can help out with adding descriptions, info, screenshots etc. don't let it hold you back from sharing your gems Smile

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Ok, I've made my first attempt by uploading Amazing Paint from CE Software.

It's a SIT file containing a DiskCopy 4.2 image. The image worked fine on the Mac I used to make it but I couldn't get it to mount in BasiliskII. Can someone please verify that I made the image correctly? (And assuming the image works, I'd like some help figuring out what I'm doing wrong with BasiliskII. I'd like to be able to include screenshots as well.

Amazing Paint

Again, my apologies if I did something stupid. This is a trial run, but I promise that if we get the kinks worked out, I'll have lots to upload.

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Hey all!! Haven’t logged onto here in about 11 years xD I remember being excited when it got rebooted under this domain. Awesome to see how the site has grown!! Nice work!! Laughing out loud Whatever happened to Maedi? Why is his account disabled?

Anywho, I drug out my old Centris 610 the other day and wanted to look up some games. I saw the call for the XOR Taskmaker. It just so happens that I have that version, box and all!! I bought it off eBay back in like 2006. Would love to upload it. I no longer have a modern computer with a floppy drive though. I’ll buy an external reader. I’ll also read through the upload guide. I might not be able to get around to it all for a month or two but I’ll definitely make it happen. Mac garden has helped me relive some awesome childhood memories! I’ll also make sure to check the rest of my floppy collection for any other games not yet on here.

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Welcome back!
Maedi retired way back, before 2014 or some such, the account itself was disabled as a security measure due to how it works within the system Tongue

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Gotcha. Appreciate the update!

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I saw the call for the XOR Taskmaker. It just so happens that I have that version, box and all!! I bought it off eBay back in like 2006. Would love to upload it.

That would be fantastic!

I no longer have a modern computer with a floppy drive though. I’ll buy an external reader.

Just in case you didn't know: no USB floppy drive can read the "Macintosh 800K" format of the TaskMaker disks, even when hooked up to a Macintosh computer. However, you can make disk images on your Centris with Disk Copy 4.2 or DiskDup, compress them with StuffIt or MacZip, and bring them to an internet-connected computer via 1.4 MB floppy.

If the disks are copy protected, that's no problem: DiskDup can be set to tolerate unreadable sectors, and our crack team of powermax and LanHawk can hack just about anything. Smile

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Thanks for the heads up and technical info! No I wasn't aware of the 800k format - good info! Nonetheless, I was planning on using my Centris to make the disk images, then bring them over to my PC using HFS Explorer to then access and upload those files. I read through the upload guides, but will probably have some clarifying questions on the process. Actually, I'll plan to post my process regardless to make sure I'm not doing anything to corrupt the original files that I intend to upload. I'd appreciate your feedback at that point!

I bought a floppy drive from ebay for my PC, so once I receive it and get up and running I'll be back!

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Welcome back to the Garden!

Yeah, a lot of things happened in the past decade - most for the better Smile Your Centris 610 sounds just like the machine to spend time with in the upcoming holidays!

We're making good progress preserving the past here, but there's still a lot missing. Any uploads of missing games and software will be greatly appreciated! And yes, getting an external USB floppy drives is probably a good idea. I got one for 15$ a few weeks ago and it works reliably for data transfer between my IIci and a more modern Mac. Sounds like a good investment for your future Centris 610 adventures Smile

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Thank you! Yeah I'm currently making a list of hardware upgrades to max out the machine's capabilities. Excited to get back into System 7! I'll post more once I've made some uploads. I've got about 100 floppies to look through. Some are just old files. But I'll definitely compare to what's been uploaded thus far. I also have a CD that Maedi had sent me that I believe has most of what was on the old Mac Garden. If for any reason that is useful, please let me know! Glad to be back in the community!

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I also have a CD that Maedi had sent me that I believe has most of what was on the old Mac Garden..

I'm totally geeking out right now! Laughing out loud

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I finally found my QuickMail disks and was surprised to see that they were version 2.01 dated 6/15/1989. I thought from the date they were sure to be 1.x but I was wrong. I'll still upload it since it's earlier than the 2.6 version that's there now.

So I guess the hunt continues...

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No worries, Purdy.. it all digital-gold! Wink

Temporary Joe's picture
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The old, outdated list still has some ones that I don't see that were found or still missing, including Larry Friedlander's The TheaterGame.

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Never heard of it, Temporary Joe. Is it an 80s Mac title? The list is in no way complete, please let me know what to add. Just post it here with some info if possible (publisher, year released)

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This used to be the main "Most Wanted" page, which has TheaterGame and a few others that aren't up yet.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140904175631/http://daxeria.macdomain.org/...

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A couple more on that old list that still haven't been found, "MacCheckers" and "MacGammon" from Videx (who made Mac Vegas & FunPak, which are on here). The other two are on a magazine advertisement on the Mac Vegas page, and on the old list as well - kind of. "MacCheckers" is, but there is a "MacGAMMON!" [sic] that appears to be a different game - anyone know about any of these?

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Thanks TJ! I wasn't aware of the list, it is great! I'll add the title still missing to here, so that Dax's work lives on. (I hope you're ok with that, Dax?)

@Apple2Forever - how sure can we that MacCheckers and MacGammon were actually released? Doesn't hurt adding it to the list (just in case) but I'm wondering if anyone ever saw real copies coming up on ebay or else?

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I give you MultiClip 1.0.

Hopefully the first of many of the Most Wanted that I find in my collection.

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awesome, another one gone from the list - thanks! Smile

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I had a little free time today so I went digging, and look what I found... Desktop Express 1.0.

While the file is a disk image, it is not an image of an original floppy. It's a disk image made from a folder. Also, please excuse my 30 year old typo on the disk title. ("Disktop Express")

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The treasures keep coming, wow! Laughing out loud

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Font/DA Juggler+ V. 1.04 Like Desktop Express, it is nowhere near a pristine copy. It appears to be a folder copy of the disk contents and already has a serial number entered.

If I get some time today, there will be MORE II follow.

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The Purdy saga continues ... thanks again for taking the time to upload (even if it is not 100% pristine. It's all better than losing that software forever)

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I went for a hat trick today.

First is 1st Aid HFS
But wait, there's More II
And finally, I will make sure that WillMaker 3.0 is uploaded.

Unfortunately, none of them are remotely pristine. I even had to blank out some personal data from WillMaker.

Also some more bad news. These are probably the last ones from the list that I have. I've still got several hundred disks to search through but I've gone through all the labeled ones. If any more turn up after this, it's going to be a really lucky find. (Unless of course you add more titles to the list Smile )

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Updated the list - awesome additions, thank you! That list is by no means complete. Just keep adding whatever you have, please Smile

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yes, we have absolutely no shame.. we'll take anything you send our way! Smile

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Don't worry about me quitting. I also want to see all of this stuff preserved and I've got almost 1,000 disks to still sort through. Most of those will be dups of course, but I do have a lot of obscure programs from the 1987-1993 era.

I expect I'll be at this for at least a year, although I seem to be doing more than the one a day I promised. I assume you don't mind. Smile

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no, no! send away.. this way, that is, lol! Tongue

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Went digging in the archives, and here's what I found. The unfortunate thing is that most of them were improperly archived and could've damaged the resource forks.

99 Bottles
A nifty "skull & bones" icon, along with another icon for a wine glass
Adobe Illustrator 88 1.9.3
Brickles 5.0
CalendarMaker
Certificate Creator
Chemintosh 2.1.1
CivCheat 2.0 (Civilization 1 cheat program)
ClarisWorks 2.1
ColorMaster ("ColorMaster is a screen depth switcher and a cursor colorizer. It works on any Mac equipped at least with a 68020.")
CustoFinder 7
Daleks 2.0
DarkSide of the Mac 5.0.5 with about 45 modules
Deadbolt 1.0
Default Folder 2.48
Dollshouse 2.0
Electric Dvorak
Faster Finder 7
First Shapes (possibly corrupted?)
Folder Icon Maker 1.1
FolderPICT 1.0
FreeTerm 1.8
FullWrite Professional™ 1.0
Gravitation_Ltd. 4.0
HFS Backup 2.02
HyperCard 2.3 install disks
Icon WDEF ("I wrote this init back in the days when I had a Mac SE and urgently needed more real estate on the screen. I wanted my windows to be as minimalist as they could be. I feel that borders should be small,titlebars should be small, and it would be nice to zap away the whole window easily when you're not using it. It should be compatible with all systems, and be pretty fast at drawing windows. Hence, I wrote Icon WDEF.")
Møire cdev
QDvorak
Red Ryder 9.4 (along with "Red's 9.4 Stuff")
Refresher 1.0.1
Remember?
Riverside
Smart Cookies 2.0 ("Smart Cookies v. 2.0 is a mind-bending game where you want to empty a box of cookies by taking connected groups of cookies of the same colour. Meanwhile you can make the cookies slide along one of the three diagonals of the box to form bigger groups. You have options for the box size, the number of colours used, random arrivals of new cookies and different counting methods (ex. big bonus if at the last taking move all the corners are empty and the group taken is big). The HELP menu gives a more detailed description of the options.")
Some ClickArt stuff
Some Star Trek-themed icons
Sound-Trecker 2.2
SoundMachine 2.1
StartUpScreenManager
StuntCopter 1.2
SuperClock!
Tech Tool 1.0.8
TermWorks 1.26
Trek Frenzy 1.1 (Slick Willie hack)
Yank 3.0.2
Zirkle
ZTerm 0.85

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Look what I found hiding on a disk labeled "Video tools"

ScreenRecorder 1.0

Hopefully, a few more surprises will turn up.

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This one, I really like!
Huge thanks for the awesome contributions so far Smile

Purdy's picture
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A couple of questions on some of the programs on the list.

1) Are you looking for TerrianEdit v1.0 or any version of TerrianEdit? The version of TerrianEdit on my SimCity 1.0 disk is v1.1.
Screenshot of about box

2) When you say you are looking for TML Pascal 2.0 is that the same as TML Pascal II? I have TMP Pascal II version 3.0. Is that what you are looking for or is it a different version?

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As we are reaching the end of the year, I wanna congratulate all heroes for their findings. Some "so" old softwares are really hard to find. And games from this era have almost copy-protections. Because they are missing, they're most popular. Well... Nevertheless, today, some of these "Guest SofTwAReS" will join their old friends to (and only for) the Garden. Sorry for the little delay, I wanted to keep them for uploading this day. Anyway, they were on the web since several months. Ok, so, no more waiting, please welcome to:

[EDIT] Ah, and one more thing. This bundle would be not complete without a game. This one is "Balance of Power, as most wanted. I wish a Merry Christmas to everybody at the Garden...

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Wow, Franky. That's a cool Christmas bonus for the Garden. Thank you very much for these Smile

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YW! Yes, but I do some little mistakes as I'm beginning to be tired. But I have to manage some pages for finishing. You should understand now why I waited for today... Smile And I wish you a Merry Christmas, of course.

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Wow, great additions - thank you Franky!! The original 1985 Balance of Power is an amazing find indeed. Just when you think that a certain software is probably lost forever it surfaces somewhere. Smile

Am I safe to assume that the demo versions just need a hacking hand to unlock their full potential?

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YW! That's the magic of Christmas, of course. Wink I wish you although a Merry Christmas, obviously. Yes, I suppose the demo versions will work better by a coat of paint with ResEdit or Resorcerer... Smile

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I've added a bunch of tools and apps from the great John V. Holder, the author of the famous ScrapitPro MultIMedia Mindmapping app (added FormIt for that).

And I've sucked the whole 2005 content of the "Great Buildings" 3dmf archive and posted it on the Garden.

Merry X-mas to you all and a healthy start into 2021.

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The demos I've uploaded at Christmas come from here. There is also the demo of Strategic Conquest. And as a tiny bonus, I've added another little file with interesting things on this page.