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I found that name here for another platform. But, perhaps the name has changed for Mac OS? Well done for your finding!

Otherwise, I've not seen Milo on your main list. Is it normal or may be someone has found it?

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"Intruder Alert" for a virus infection, Ha Laughing out loud
Download & install Capt. Kirk!

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Actually, another good source for finding old software could be U.S. libraries. While searching for Entrex Software I came across a web catalogue of library media. So, many of the Entrex titles are in U.S. libraries. I'm sure they have other Macintosh stuff as well. I don't know if it is possible to have them send the stuff to your local library. But if it is possible, that might be an awesome cheap way to get our hands on those.

Going to check if there's anything we're after in the German library system.

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The software titles I personally came across in local libraries appear to be mostly compilations of book plus software bundles, which were reference items, meaning you can peruse them like periodicals within the library itself, but are not open to checking out.

So in theory, for such reference software titles/items, you could potentially bring in a Powerbook and make an image of a floppy disk or a CD-ROM inside the library. Another option might be to install the game, program and/or utility software/sw bundle onto a vanilla system and backup the system, which hopefully would capture everything needed to run the software on other compatible Macs that meet the software specs (and possibly the OS as well).

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Ah. I see. Well, let me think... who has an old PowerBook and lives in the U.S. and could do that? Wink

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Don your masks folks, we're deep-sea scuba diving for old Mac titles! Big smile

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Deep-sea? I hope you've got cave diving experience....

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Have you ever check the university of michigan archive... there are plenty of mac floppy disk images

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Thanks for the suggestion! I've been to their FTP I think, I guess others too. It's a quite popular source. They host lots of stuff, but mostly freeware and/or shareware. Most we are after in this thread is commercially published software. Which doesn't mean you can't find anything there though.

Please feel free to join in and see if you can excavate some gems we're after from their archives Smile

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Last update to the list from me for now. Not because of losing interest, but because I've not found any other titles. Everyone else please feel free to add titles to our 80's Mac Software Wanted List. Here's the last candidates:

Publish It! 1.x (Timworks, 1988) fast page-layout program for 512KE, Plus and SE (we have 2.19 already)
Wild Things (Language Systems) - tool for creating XCMD for Hypercard; comes with a functions collection
MultiClip (1989 Olduvai) - an init that lets you store multiple items in your clipboard
Shortcut (1989, Aladdin Systems) - Finder enhancement
A Country Christmas (B&B Soundworks) - Lovely christmas-themed hypercard stack for kids
Bag-0-Tricks (Wing Eng) is a collection of 40 XCMDs & functions for scripting
HyperCard stacks
Sensei Calculus (Broderbund,1987) - study tool for introductory calculus
Sensei Geometry (Broderbund,1987) - animated study material on topics such as congruence, coordinate geometry, polygon area etc.
Sensei Physics (Broderbund,1987) - 300+ physics problems with hints and solutions for study
LXR•Test (Logic eXtension Resources, 1988) - test generation software for teachers & professors

Gotta say I'm impressed with this thread. Thus far, we've found and added 30+ new titles to the Mac Garden database. Thanks to Daxeria, mrdav, Franky233 and StephenThomasCole! When I started it, I did not believe we'd be so successful. I'm thinking of continuing with the lists .. maybe create one for 90's software? Maybe one for games and apps that need hacking? What do ya'll think?

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I only found MultiClip as part of this collection, but the title that intrigues me most there is "CP DriveLight". Might that be a desktop item simulating a disk drive light? That'd be perfect for an emulator like Basilisk-II.

Other than that, I use "CopyPaste" as a clipboard extender. Wink

PS: That Sensei stuff looks good for freshening up my (encrusted) highschool math, but I can't find Sensei Geometry.

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From memory, there was a control panel that would make the disk drive light go on and off, even if the drive wasn't running and the Mac only had RAM activity; the one you're mentioning sounds like that one.

Another similar CDEV, I think Symantec may have had one (or maybe that was the one), put a tiny flashing disk drive icon in the menu bar near the right or left corner, which sounds more like what you're thinking about/aiming for.

I think that it may have been part of a suite of mini-utilities or maybe a sub-component of a larger disk utility that may have included isk optimization. I also AlSoft's disk optimizer as well, but I don't recall if that control panel had a disk drive menubar icon; I'm thinking not.

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I scooped a huge collection of HyperCard stacks from the Internet, but its utterly unsorted and insanely large (2-3 GB). If anybody wants it on the Garden, then plz show me a way how to upload that stuff.

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What I've seen for a boatload like that are those mega.nz download links others have posted here. 'm not sure if I've posted one before, but I haven't uploaded huge things, if I recall correctly.

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I downloaded that from the archived pages of a hyperstack maniac community (they actually call themselves that) over a three day time span. It seems there is/was an entire microverse dedicated to nothing but Hyperstacks: Games, Books, Applications - everything on little, stackable cards. Wink

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Yes, that would definitely be interesting. That huge archive could contain some of the stuff we're looking for. Could you upload it somewhere or point us the direction to where you got it? Or maybe you can take a look for yourself?

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Its definetely past the Garden's http upload limit and if I upload each stack seperately it would result in a listing hundreds of items long.
Is there an FTP access to upload a 2-3GB sized file?

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m68k, remember to check out the www.mega.nz file uploading website link I shared about before. I think a free account gives you 50GB of downloading storage and I've seen dozens of mega links made by other Garden members that they've posted here in forum and app posts.

The entire hypercard stack archive you collected can be easily uploaded to it in one shot.

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But those links are not "eternal" if I remember correctly.

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I do believe you're right about that.

Mega would serve more as a sharing platform to transfer the stacks over to folks here for distribution and safe keeping.

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Well then I'll do it that way and someone here at the Garden will have to sort that mess out. Wink

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I'll be busy for about two more weeks and then I'll HyperStack the heck outta this place Wink

Btw, I stumbled across those files on my hunt for tools for my next project and it is amazing how many folks wrote entire *applications* in HC script. I just wish those wouldn't all be limited in screen size, as some of them are truly nifty.

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On the subject of both porn and old Mac software, does anyone have a copy of the original "Virtual Valerie"? The sequel seems common but the original is elusive. I believe it may have been Hypercard based?

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It's high up there on my list, I believe it popped up once, though I didn't have any Nigeran-prince-money for it.

Set up a filter for eBay and assist with the search Smile

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Here are some other early Mac titles that are MIA:

  • Sword of Kadash (Penguin Software)
    This came up for sale on eBay recently but was too rich for my blood. I did save photos of the packaging, however.
  • Orbquest (Qware, Inc.)
    This overhead RPG was reviewed in the December 1986 issue of MacUser.
  • The Lüscher Profile (Mindscape)
    I have a copy and imaged it with an Applesauce. I’ll upload a disk image soon. It has copy protection.
  • Alter Ego (Activision)
    There are two versions of this: male and female.
Bolkonskij's picture
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Excellent additions that I've added to the list - thank you jkheiser!

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I recall seeing on the old "Mac Garden Wanted List" that copies of the "Alter Ego" games had supposedly been located - anyone know anything more about this?

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A copy of Orbquest just surfaced on eBay. Starting bid of $249. Ouch.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124284631872

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Double ouch. That is a lot of money. :-/

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So, deleted another name from the list, thanks to krausjxotv recent upload. Keep 'em coming! Smile

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Please add to missing list:

GayBlade (early LGBTQ game)
Vantage (word processor, multiple versions)

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We already have a page for Vantage but only have v. 1.6.

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Oh, very good! I see you just added Vantage very recently, tyvm!

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It appears that the Windows version of GayBlade was actually recovered in 2019, but the Macintosh version remains at large. Here is some info we know about it:

Released in 1992, it was authored by Ryan Best under "RJ Best, Inc." The Macintosh version actually came first, and was then ported to Windows by "Intelligent Software Solutions, Inc."

System Requirements:
2MB of RAM or more
256 color/gray monitor
Color QuickDraw
System 6.0.5 or above

This suggests that the game requires a Macintosh II or better, and won't play correctly on a compact mac with their 9-inch monochrome monitors, even if they have the RAM for it.

The game comes on two 3.5" disks: "GB Disk 1" and "GB Disk 2". Installation was accomplished by copying the folder "GayBlade Game Folder" to your hard disk, and then copying the contents of disk 2 into that same folder. Both the Macintosh and Windows versions appear to share the same manual (an incomplete version of which is linked in this article: https://lgbtqgamearchive.com/games/games-by-decade/1990s/gayblade/ )

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Tuesday, GayBlade has been uploaded on the WA. So, I've created a page for it... Wink

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Good suggestions, but these are 90s stuff. This list is focussing on 80's Mac stuff. Please feel free to create a 90's list too! There's tons of stuff missing from that decade as well ... Smile

EDIT: mrdav uploaded the 1984 Red Ryder version. So cross that from the list. Thanks! Smile

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Ah, my bad!

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I've localized another bird from the list. It is not really lost. I feel its presence here at the Garden... It's CloseView v1.0 and 1.1 in fact. Those are inside each system 6 folders, in Utilities 2 images, "System Folder Additions" (for version 1.1). The version 1.0 is in System 6.0.3 only. And there is the Berkeley Systems's logo inside. Shall we need to create a special page for it?

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Good catch, Franky! Smile

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Thanks! Wink

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Aha, that's a cool find. Another one to scratch off the list. I think we don't need an extra download for it, unless someone knows a good reason?

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Hello friends,
I can provide a batch of disc images of some the wanted games, but I haven't been able to break the protection yet. It will therefore be necessary to add them to the list of "to be cracked games"...
I will add them on the Mac Garden in the next few days. Here is the list:
- Alter Ego (both versions, male and female),
- OrbQuest,
- Sensei Geometry,
- Sword of Kadash,
- Forbidden Castle,
- Voodoo Island,
- Mystery Master - Felony!,
- Tactical Jet Fighter,
- Daily Double Horse Racing,
- Maze Survival.
Gael Wink

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I just came on, checked what's new and saw OrbQuest uploaded by Gael_FR. My heart stopped for a second. Could it be true? Did he win the 250$ auction? Smile

Well, I'll gladly add to the "needs hacking" list whatever you can upload! So awesome to see it here!

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Hi, could you please look at my post above? Thanks. FYI, Dax has uploaded Ensemble and I've just added some screenshots and manuals...

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Thanks (again) for pointing out Smile .. just deleted Ensemble from the list! (it is awesome how much we located, isn't it?)

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Yep. I've found that software too, but with copy-protection.

[EDIT] Ok. Demo of softwares are eligibles to the list?

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No, I did not win the 250$ auction...but I have had these gems for years, trying to break their copy protection and saving every picture on eBay... Most of the disk images were provided to me by 'MCP' fellow, who seems to have disappear away from the MacGarden... Stay tuned, the other games are coming... Regards, Gaël

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Thank you, Gael! Smile

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It looks like fogWraith has uploaded Images with Impact! yesterday. So, he deserves his name here like anybody else, right? Smile

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I figured our beloved admin is beyond mere mentions in a thread but maybe you're right (crossed it of the list, thx! Smile )