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Epic thread. Many thanks to everyone contributing!

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I am still waiting for my "Timbuktu for windoes NT Server" to arrive. Once I get it, I'll upload a copy to the Garden - after testing it out myself.

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Its just the Timbuktu Pro 2000 version I received - and that one won't allow any "observe" or "control" option to be used with Timbuktu 4. Sad

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Smartcom II is up

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Perfect! Smile Finally, the 3.3A version is not really necessary?

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MacRobots should be on the list too. In this thread Temporary Joe provided a (still working) link to a folder of the original floppy disk contents. Unfortunately the original disk is no longer available and, perhaps more importantly, the game needs to be cracked to stop it asking for the master disk.

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I believe we can find almost everything, but we can't see through websites if softwares are hidden (compressed in an archive), even with a powerful search engine. However, some of them, at least, can be found for sale on eBay:

So, if someone wanna buy them for the Garden... Smile

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Made some offers on DMCS but they were all declined automatically. That listing appears to have been up since April 2019, if you haven't sold something online in over a year, maybe you're charging too much for it? Also, the shipping is way too high, media mail is good for software!

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So I've just updated the list with some more 80s goodies that I noticed missing:

  • Font DA Juggler Plus - 1988 - AlSoft Inc. (jack-of-all-trades tool for juggling apps and their windows, assigning compressed sounds etc …)
  • Navigate! - (obscure 1988 app intended to be installed on Macintoshes on a Yacht for displaying course and position? All I could find was a small notice and the price tag (1495$) in an old MacWorld magazine issue. Might be the rarest of rare Macintosh 80s software)
  • TML Pascal 2.0 - 1988 - v.2 of the Pascal development environment
  • CloseView - Berkeley System Design - 1988 - control panel that magnifies everything, intended for visually impaired Mac users
  • ReadySetShow - Letraset - 1988 - desktop presentation software from the Ready Set Go guys
  • Electronic Whole Earth Catalog CDROM - 1988 - by Broderbund ... very early CD-ROM release
  • DashBoard - TENpoint0, 1988 - The first HyperCard telecommunications product for the Mac
  • Digital Darkroom - Silicon Beach Software -1988 - this one's really missing? A B&W photo editing app
  • MacCalc - 1986 - Bravo Technologies - Excel's competitor in those early years
  • MORE and MORE II - Business outliner - „MORE is the ultimate yuppie MBA weapon“ - Jean-Louis Gassée

Removed Tilt - A Game of Medieval Jousting from the list as I’ve found and uploaded it here.

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Digital Darkroom is up. It is v 1.1 and maybe not a copy of an original disk. Still missing v. 1.0

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A v. 1.1 of Digital Darkroom, even if not exactly from original image is still better than the software being lost forever. Given this was a well-known and quite popular mac software for photo retouching in the 80s, I find it alarming it doesn't turn up elsewhere more often. Finding this early Macintosh software is getting harder and harder. All the more praise to you for your findings Smile

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I've found myself a version 1.0 from our leechers. But the image looks corrupted... Sad Also found from their mess is the v1.0A8 of Go, relooked as a DC42 image in a StuffIt 1.5 archive and added to our page, now. Smile I've found also MORE v1.1c from them. Elsewhere, I've found an oldest app called "MacSpin" v3.1d3, but it was created by Abacus Concepts, not D2. Is it the one requested ?

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I came for the porn, but then... Smile
No, honestly, I would so much like to participate and upload the good old stuff, but I don't have anything. I started with Mac OS X 10.3.9, got my first Power Mac in 2004 or so. I discovered Mac OS X 10.2 around 2007 or 2008, and I love it!
I would love to see also some German versions, but as I said, I can only help out with stuff from around 2005, and I didn't buy much, so...

I hope you make some of those with boxes of disks in their cellar or garage finally wake up and start to make disk images and to preserve the art of the 80ies and 90ies. Which reminds me is what I should finally do with some old DOS games and programs from the late 80ies and 90ies that I sill have laying around in my cellar. I hope they still work. And, more importantly, I hope I can build a PC which with a 5.25 and 3.5 inch disk drive in it, so that I can put those disks into a drive! I should have all the parts, but setting it all up is going to take a lot of time...

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Well, when you're hooked on Mac software Wink

Something many of us here do a little is find gems that have been uploaded online someplace and upload the copy we found here; but if we happen stumble upon a real find at a giveaway price, we may choose to post about it here or outright buy it so it can be imaged and uploaded. Some of us also have some backups and some of the items we've bought or collected then make their way onto here. All in all, it's all just one big labor of love.

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I totally agree and I also did this – buy software and upload it here.

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@Franky233
well, that's good news! *thumbs up* I don’t know about Abacus Concepts, but back then everyone bought up everyone on a monthly basis, so it’s possible Abacus bought MacSpin at one point. I’d say add it as we don’t have any MacSpin archived as of now?

@muttztfz
Yeah, German (and other language) versions would be welcome as well. However, even if you don’t have software you can help! Browse the web, searching for traces of software on this list. Sometimes you get lucky and find it somewhere.

Another thing would to go through the entries on this site for 80s software (like this one for 1985) and check if any versions are missing. Check the description text, often there's a note about missing sequels or expansions. That alone will add a lot of titles to our wanted list. (and besides you’ll learn a whole lot about the early Mac years)

Also we’d need a (separate) list on 80s software that has a copy protection and needs a hack. Think you can help out?

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So, I will create a page for it and for MORE too next days... MacSpin is not alone where I found it. There is for example EarlyBird (antivirus) with it. It is there where I found old versions of StuffIt...
You should remove "SmartCom II" now, or scratch softwares found as things progress, perhaps? Also, from the list, Mac Racquetball is already here, but the "sequel" version 2 is still requested. And Strategic Conquest is from PBI, not PTI (never mind Wink).

[EDIT] Ok, so, those softwares are now here and here. Descriptions should be updated as I don't know more...

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Scoop by Target Software in 1987 would be a good one for the list. There was supposed to be an upgrade from v. 1.01 to v. 2 in 1988 but I am not sure if this happened as the company was up for sale that year.

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@Franky - Kudos, well done! Two off the list! Smile also thanks for your tips regarding the list, I've corrected everything.

@mrdav - yes, an ideal candidate. Added it to the list!

@all Keep 'em coming! We've already archived 8 titles since starting this thread, which is very cool. Let's see if we can hit the 10 anytime soon Smile

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Bitte! & "Danke" for your changes, I've seen it. Wink I believe I have found the next (9th?) one. And more surprises to come... Smile

[EDIT] Ok, so, is it a Scoop if the next software found is up now ? Smile Ah, and I've also uploaded a full (preinstalled) version of Digital Darkroom 2. I have another version 1.2.1, but this one (trademark) has been acquired by MicroFrontier in 1997 (source: Wikipedia).

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That's amazing, Franky! Just upload what you have and isn't here please, even if it is not 80's Mac software Smile

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Ok. So, I believe I need to create a new page... I will search for the new softwares too. Smile

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Can Digital Darkroom do batch processing? I have a large number of book pages scanned in grayscale, which I'd like to enhance before feeding them to TextBridge or OmniPage.

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So quick to find Scoop, Franky Smile An excellent find!

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Well, just a tiny gift for your incredible Big work. Wink And the page is yours. That's why I let you manage it at your convenience as your knowledge about this software is better than me for sure... Smile

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I've added another bunch to the list. Here are the additions:

Acknowledge (1988 - SuperMac Technology)
Planit Kitchen - 1988 Microspot
Mac Interiors - 1988 Microspot
Screen Recorder - 1989 - Farallon Computing
Modern Artist - 1.0 / 2.0 - 1989 - Computer Friends
ArchiText - 1.0 - 1989 BrainPower
Cue: Film Music System - 2.0 - 1989 - Opcode Systems
For the Record - 1.0 - Nolo Press - 1988
AutoMac III - 2.0 - 1989 - Genesis Micro Software
DiskFinder - 1.07 - 1989 - Williams & Macias
Milo - 1.0 - 1988 - Paracomp
Master Juggler - 1989 - Alsoft (Font/DA mover on steroids)
Willmaker 1.0 - 3.0 - 1989 - Nolo Press (commercial Basic program, guess what it does? Smile )

Now I realize there’s some rare niche software on the list. Like „Planit Kitchen“ being a kitchen-planning software, Cue: Film Music System - an assistant for scoring films or Milo, a mathematics processor. Obviously they weren't meant for the mainstream, nonetheless I'd love to see them preserved.

But seeing all this software let's you realize just how rich the Macintosh universe was in applications already by the end of the 80's.

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I know its asking you for more work, but could you plz list the names of the software titles the way they are spelled in the Garden's archive? I can't find some of those items and others are spelled appart (with spaces), instead of together.

Otherwise thx for the effort, I already downloaded a lot of items and am looking forward to testing them, soon.

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A page for Master Juggler is already here (called MasterJuggler) courtesy of MCP that I did not see. My uploads have been added to that page thanks to Daxeria.

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Thanks for these awesome uploads + sorry for the duplicate. I check all the listed stuff here, often for alternative naming (space, no space etc.) but this one got through the check it seems.

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Wow, Daxeria added just another two great 80's titles. "MultiDisk" wasn't even on the list *thumbs up*

And I won't ask where you found such an obscure app like "Cue: The Film Music System". That is so niche that I believe the 10 people who bought it in the 80's are long gone ...

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Well here is one guy who plans to use it, soon. Laughing out loud

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wow! Just trying it out because of interest or actually planning on using it in a project?

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Once I finished my current book I plan to do a video project and a fantasy novel (More 3.x will come in handy for that to outline the story's plot).

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We found the Electronic Whole Earth Catalog:

https://archive.org/details/the-electronic-whole-earth-catalog

Kevin Kelly himself made a .dmg of his own personal review copy of the software, and I finnessed the contents into a disk image that'd work with the Internet Archive emulator. Smile

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wow, that is awesome news! Stephen, would you be ok if we upload it to the Garden as well?

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Of course! Anything I upload to Internet Archive or to my website (vintageapplemac.com) I fully intend for to be spread as far and wide as possible. Help yourself, man!

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Thank you! Appreciated!

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Alright, here's another bunch of 80's Macintosh software still missing from the Garden:

Focal Point II (1989 - TenPoint0)
MacSchedule (1.x or 2.x, we have 3.x - Mainstain)
Atlas Explorer (Springboard, 1989)
ModaCAD (ModaCAD, high-priced CAD program for designing cloth)
DynaPerspective (DynaWare - 1989) architecture app
DAtabase (1989 - preferred publishers)
SPAMM (1989 - Bravo Technologies - utility speeding up math routines)
Acta Advantage (1989 - Symmetry - outliner DA / app)
Prototyper (1989 - Smethers-Barnes - a prototyping and code generating environment)
Pc Tools Deluxe (1989 - Central Point Software - utilities set )
Aask (Init manager, CE Software)
INITPicker (1989 - Microseeds Publishing, Init manager)

Maybe we can dig up another few?

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Daxeria amazingly managed to locate and upload another four titles from the list: SPAMM, DAtabase, Modern Artist and INITPicker. Thanks for that! Smile

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Wow, if I didn't overlook anything there have been three four other contributions:

  • PC Tools Deluxe from Franky233
  • Prototyper from Daxeria
  • Focal Point II & Aask from mrdav

So I'm going to delete those from the list. Awesome job, guys! Really making progress Smile

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Alright, upon request, here are two new candidates we're searching for:

  • MacWorkStation (1987, Apple) - Provides a Mac front-end for running mainframe applications
  • MacCobol (1987, Microfocus) - The sought-after Cobol compiler for the Mac OS
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I'm thrilled by the progress we're making. Thus far, we've been able to add 22 1980's titles tot he Garden. Reason enough to continue! Here's another few candidates for our abandonware detectives Smile

  • PowerStation (Fifth Generation Systems) - Finder replacement / app launcher
  • On Cue (ICOM Simulations) Finder replacement / app launcher
  • MugShot (1989, Mi Concepts) - lists installed INITs, cdesvs, DAs etc. for diagnosis
  • Just Enough Pascal (Symantec, 1989) - a Pascal tutorial for Lightspeed Pascal
  • Visual Business No. 5 v 1.x (Visual Business Systems, 1989) - charting package with presentation features
  • TextPert 1.x, 2.x, 3.x (CTA, 1988) optical character recognition (scanner) software
  • Components General Ledger (Satori Software, 1989) - accounting software
  • Thunder! (Electronic Arts, 1988) - stand-alone spelling checker
  • Thunder II (Electronic Arts, 1989) - stand-alone spelling checker
  • QuickMail 1.x, 2.x, 3.x (CE Software) - electronic mail program
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Thanks for the reminder; I was going to go through my old magazines to pull out the other missing titles. Kind of busy right now, but this is something that anyone with some time should be able to do; MacWorld archive is on the Internet Archive, and the titles just have to be cross-referenced against an MG search.

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Great new additions - thanks for uploading guys!

Just deleted from the list:

Components Accounting, Just Enough Pascal, On Cue, MugShot, QuickMail 2.x & 3.x, Thunder II

@adespoton - any help is very welcome! Smile

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Alright, here's another update:

SimCity Terrain Editor (Maxis, 1989) - Editing tool for original SimCity
SnapJot (1989 - Trillium Software) - sophisticated screen capture tool
Mac Bar Coda (1989 - ComputaLabel) - app for creating product bar codes
MacEnvelope (1989 - Synex) - envelope-printing application

And a somewhat personal request. I've been on a mission to find Entrex Software Inc. titles. Entrex was a small company that made lots of educational strategy games during the 80s & 90s. They sold quite a bunch to educational facilities.

I've tracked down the former manager for software development at Entrex, asking him if he had some software or even sources left so that we could archive them here. Unfortunately, he has nothing. He asked another co-worker from Entrex times who neither had anything left. Getting the source of the Turning Point engine would have been splendid ...

Thus far, we have only a few Entrex titles saved on the Macintosh Garden. So there's an imminent danger of those titles being lost forever, especially since schools rather tend to either bury "the old stuff" somewhere for the next 50 years or dumping it altogether. By comparison, few copies made it to private households.

An incomplete list of some Entrex titles missing on the Garden:

Age of Exploration
American Revolution
American History & Geography
Ancient Civilizations
Civil War (CD-ROM release)
Civil War II (1996 release)
Colonial America Encyclopedia
Founding of America
In the days of Knights & Kings
Hannibal’s Heroes
Sugar & Snails
Supreme Command
United States BioSource
Weather Wizards
Wild West Encyclopedia
World War II Shootout

Can anyone help out? Lots of these titles came on hybrid PC/Mac discs, so maybe some PC abandonware sites might have something stored. It's just that I have no idea about these places as I've always been a Mac guy ... maybe someone has?

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You will forever be remembered in the Halls of '80s Mac Software for all of your preservation efforts, Bolkonskij!

As I was reading this post, I began thinking about where I've found the unlikeliest things, and used bookstores came to mind. I'm not saying that they would hold any old software titles, but they might. And if they do, would it be too much for any of the Garden folks to reach out and call them about such? They may even have local and maybe not so local leads. They may even opt to add such a group to their physical repositories, space permitting. Or possibly offer a small bounty, or ask the to refer interested sellers to us, maybe via email.

All in the name of preservation! Smile but seriously, it may be something worth thinking about and maybe it may generate other ideas that can lead to success. Even a Craigslist ad might even get some folks working for us, for free, lol! Laughing out loud

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Thanks, but really, I don't deserve the praise. I merely create the list. True heroes are those uploading the software for preservation, along with putting the time into creating a neat page.

Craigslist is a good idea. Any kind of used-books-dvds-games dealer is also a good source. I bought quite some stuff from it for the Garden.

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K, everyone, you got your orders: get your hookups of some good stuff from your local dealers so we can share it around in here! Laughing out loud

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Well, no chance this time... But, I've some relevant infos at least :

It seems there is a French version of WorkStation inside the 1st file (SimCity_original1989) of the SimCity page.
In the same page, there is a version 1.3 of Terrain Editor (SimCity_Surpreme.dsk file), dated 1991.

And for the Entrex titles, the 1st one is named exactly "In the days of Knights & Kings". For 'The Age of Exploration", I suppose that probably this is not this one ?

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Thanks for trying anyway!

Yeah, I saw the Terrain Editor in the Sim City Surpreme package but I'd love to get the orignal 1.0 Terrain Editor for the 1989 release. (afaik it was mail-order at 24.95$ from Maxis only)

As for the Entrex hints - thanks, I'll correct the Knights & Kings title. Just where did you find the info? I always just read about "Knights & Kings" everywhere, including on the old Entrex website? I was just naming it by the page we already have for it.

And "The Age of Exploration" and "Discovery the World II" obviously were two separate releases, with the later probably being a sequel.

EDIT: Found Health Quest II and added it to the Garden.