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AppleTalk In SheepShaver?

I'm driving myself mad here trying to get this to work. I am following the guide here: http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/appletalk_for_sheepshaver

I can create the bridge fine but i end up with no connection, no internet, no appletalk, nothing.

I'm trying to copy some files to my IIci (which has a NuBus Ethernet adapter which connects to the network fine), Sheepshaver doesn't the IIci and if i enable sharing in sheepshaver the IIci won't see it

I need a reliable way of copying files to the IIci as i will be using it to drive my stylewriter 1200 (as my modern canon inkjet has just died with a less than 250 pagecount. And i need a inkjet for printing on envelopes (as my laser screws them up))

Anyhow, anyone got any idea how to get this working

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Hi Max, I find Sheepshaver to be too flaky to use reliably without it crashing at the drop of a hat, let alone using it's networking (in)capabilities.

If the IIci connects to your network OK, and there are files on your Sheep drive that you want for it, copy them into the shared (Unix/My Computer) drive and access them from the host Mac/PC instead.

If you want an emulator that has brain-dead to set up and reliable to use AppleTalk over TCP/IP networking, then Basilisk II build 142 is the best solution. Caveat; only networking on a host 32bit Windows PC works.

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Yeah i have been finding that, it crashed allot when i was trying to get networking working...

I think i'm going to just setup a FTP server on it, but that still leves the chicken and egg problem. How do you get stuffit and the FTP software onto the box

I might try the same thing in whatever build of Basilisk II i'm running here, but right now it is refusing to boot....

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I might try the same thing in whatever build of Basilisk II i'm running here

The JIT builds of Basilisk II share the same inherent network issues as SheepShaver.
But the old pre-JIT Build 142 for Windows (and maybe 143) has stable networking over TCP/IP - you can even set a static IP address for it, if you use static IP's on your network. Its configures easily like actual classic Mac hardware and setting up the Windows side is also very simple. - it requires a 32bit Windows OS on the host PC tho'...

    ...and if you don't have a Win32 box, making use of the shared "Unix" (Linux/Mac) or "My Computer" (Win PC) drive, to transfer files from an emulated hard drive to the host Mac/PC then share files from there between the host PC & the networked IIci, would be a relatively painless exercise.

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The only problem with doing that is that as far as i know OSX Mountian Lion dosen't support mounting appleshare volumes so before i can transfer anything to it i need to transfer both stuffit and a FTP server. The ftp server will fit on a single floppy but stuffit won't...

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Maybe a long shot, but what about sneaker net and one of those SQ555?
Your IIci will like the SQ400 drives but I dont know your other hardware and SCSI HBAs.
I still have my ancient PIII with SCSI HBA and the is a spare (PC) PCI HBA around too.

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that would work actually, My G4 QS has a narrow scsi card, and my G5 has a wide scsi card (not sure i i have the cabling to connect it to the G5 though)

One of those is plenty big enough to get stuffit and the ftp server onto the IIci

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Hi, I'm the author of the "Wireless AppleTalk Networking" article and the related OpenVPN article at Emaculation, and I've done a lot of networking with SheepShaver.

One thing that the AppleTalk guide that you linked doesn't emphasize is that your SheepShaver host machine must be wired to your router by ethernet if want to follow that guide alone. If the machine is connected by wireless, and you want to do a lot of AppleTalking over time that way, then it would be worth it to follow the wireless guide and set up the OpenVPN server. But if you're connecting your host machine by ethernet to your router, it should be pretty easy to get AppleTalk working.

Also, I've found that Mac OS 9.0.4 is less reliable than earlier versions for networking. I've found 8.5.1 to be much more reliable, as well as 7.5.3. Chances are the versions in between are fine too. If you need HFS+, then I'd recommend trying 8.5.1. Just install it into a small SS volume, then add the drives with all your files below it in the Volumes list.

Please ask if you need more help. Obviously, using an emulator is much more convenient than having to use more old Macs with special network cards and whatnot.

(P.S. Off topic: I've been planning for some time to write a post here about those articles I wrote since I've seen over time people here asking about how to do networking and play AppleTalk games using SheepShaver and Basilisk II. But I haven't finished trying out all the things I eventually want to add to my AppleTalk guide. AppleTalk in these emulators seems to have always been a gray area, so I want people to know that it's a feature that really can be used on modern computers and networks.)

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Oh now that explains it!

Oh well, in the end i used my ibook G3 to shuffle everything to the IIci. And now I have FTP running on the IIci