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Anyone in New England, USA lookin for Mac Gear?

Too many Macs. And they're probably not worth shipping very far.
Everything works and is outfitted with some sort of SSD boot device.
PowerMac 6100/66
PowerMac 7500/100
Beige G3 desktops: 266, 300 and 333
PowerMac G4 466
Dual 1GHz Quicksilver (2)

Mac Pro 4,1 -> 5,1 2x4 core 2.93GHz 32GB 1066 RAM 4TB Dual Optical

Not looking to get rid of everything - just thinning the herd.

Odds and ends
Road Rocket - true dual display for Wallstreet
Memorex DVD recorder/cabinet NIB
Yamaha SCSI CDRW/cabinet NIB
SCSI cabinet with Zip 100 and CDR
SCSI cabinet with Yamaha CDRW and CD
Gravis Mousestick NIB
MacAlly iStick (USB)
MacAlly Joystick

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Is Eastern Kentucky too far for you?

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If you want to pay for shipping.

What are you interested in?

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How much you are selling the Mac Pro ? I checked out Mac pro online. The mac pro (2009/Nehalem)model identifier 4,1 model has 2.9.3 Ghz 8-core and system max at mac os x 10.11 or The Mac Pro (2010/Westmere or server 2010) is model identifier 5,1 2.9.3 Ghz twelve core and system max MacOS 10.14 Mojave.

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I think they are going in the $500 range on eBay.

The Mac Pro has the 5,1 firmware and is running Mojave natively.
So it's serial number identifies it as a 2009 but as far as software is concerned it is a 5,1.
It can be upgraded to a 3.06, 3.33 or 3.46 12 core machine and 64GB of 1333RAM using delidded CPUs. System drive is a 1TB Samsung SSD which I am going to put directly on the PCI-e bus as soon as I get the card to do that from OWC (gives you SATA3 speeds). There is another 3TB in disk storage.

I just upgraded its twin to a 12 core 3.33GHz machine with 32GB of 1333 RAM. It runs Mojave natively (with a 4GB metal capable GPU). As such it out performs most of the 2013 (aka trashcan) Mac Pros which run about $1350 on eBay.

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The only difference between the 4,1 and the 5,1 is the upgradeable firmware and the fact that the 4,1 tray uses delidded cpus and I believe the 5,1 uses lidded cpus.

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If you will sell me the price $500.00 and include the system on DVD. You put this on Ebay. I can buy this at Ebay from you.

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It helps if the seller does not provide details that other buyers may see to buy it first. I remember a buyer doing something special like that for me one time. The item literally had my own ebay name in the title listing, so I was guaranteed the sale.

A minor thing Scott, but have you considered that for the $500 you pay for sfp1954's listing, ebay will confiscate $50 bucks, then paypal will take another $15? sfp1954 will get $500 minus $85 = $435. That much money would be close to the cost of shipping!

A better option: PayPal allows payments to be made directly from one member to another for any purchased item, like one you learnt about on the MG. Doing this that way would save sfp1954 giving away an extra $50 to ebay, just a thought! That extra cash would be better spent in sending sfp1954 a little extra for better/safer packaging for the Mac's shipping. And sfp1954 has an email button, you can get in touch with directly right from this forum.

I know because I've done this before with other MG members Smile

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There are no DVDs for the newer operating systems. They are all direct downloads from Apple.
The last OS on DVD was Mt. Lion. That machine is currently running Mojave 10.14.6.

I have some Snow Leopard DVDs. From Snow Leopard you can go to El Capitan and then High Sierra or Mojave.

Where are you located?

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You put this on Paypal. I will buy this from you.
I lived in USA.
Must use this address and shop on FEDEX . I lived in 7809 ThornHollow Dr SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49546
If not FEDEX The address is different. 7809 Cascade Road SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49546.

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What OS do you plan to run? The 4GB GPU is not supported by 10.6, 10.7 or 10.8.

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This mac Pro with 4GB GPU does not run mac os x 10.6 and 10.7 or 10.8. Then system is mac os 10.14 Mojave is system I want. I honest will you only afford the $500.00. If it more. I can't buy it.

I have problem with MDD CD/DVD combo. I press eject on keyboard and I heard sound from CD/DVD combo. If I keep press the eject the CD/DVD will eject. Do you know what is problem ?
I have 5 drives mounted on desktop in mac os x 10.5.8. OWC Mercury in 2 partitions - 80GB OWC is mac os x 10.4.11 and mac os 9.2.2 and 367GB OWC Mercury is mac os x 10.5.8. TOSHIBA in 3 Partitions - 2TB TOSHIBA and 1.5TB in TOSHIBA 2 and 1.5TB TOSHIBA 3. But in mac os x 10.4.11 Only OWC and OWC Mercury and TOSHIBA is mounted. TOSHIBA 2 and TOSHIBA 3 will not mounted in mac os x 10.4.11. I can run classic in mac os x 10.4.11 will out problem. If tried native boot in mac os 9.2.2. The System will lockup. You need help with any game or application. I glad to help you. If game or application want me upload for you ?

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If you get sfp1954's paypal email, you can send the $500 as friends and family from your paypal balance or linked account for $0 fee to you and sfp1954. This way sfp1954 get the whole $500 and is best since your cash is low, I can relate my friend. Maybe you can send him what sfp1954 pays for shipping the Mac sometime after? I've done that with folks before.

And apparently, the handles get damaged frequently if not packaged properly. The best option is to ship it in its original box. Otherwise, here's some wise words from someone familiar with shipping Mac Pros which I copied for reference from their online post: 'They get damaged when shippers drop them on the handles. Fool them and get a box that has plastic handles built in on the ends of the box so they leave it flat. I've also used 2 x 4s inserted into the handles with flat pieces of card board stuffed in so there's no play or gap. I've also placed 2 x 4s taped to the height of the outside of the ends that are slightly longer so that if the box is dropped, it will impact on the ends of the boards rather than the Mac's handles.

Looks like shipping goes for around $100

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Cbone I am be honest with you. I don't have any family member. My sister can't afford the cost. She is hurting with professional problems. My father is dead and mother is close at death. And my brother have nothing do with me.

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I understand brother Sad my dad died recently and my brother and mom are both disabled

When you choose paypal's free payment choice, no extra money is lost.

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You have two optical drives in your Mirror door? Then you DON'T use the keyboard eject button.
You want to go to the top right of the menu bar where there should be an eject icon. If you select that icon you will be given an option on which drive you want to open. Upper or lower. The other option is to open Toast and choose the drive there.

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You hear sound from optical drive when you press eject but it don't eject, keep pressing eject and eventually it does eject (?). Mirror Door has huge external tray "flaps". The flaps are weighty and the drive tray has tired to the point of losing the strength to push open the MDD's flaps. Mine is doing the same thing. You can pry the MDD flap open with your fingers, hold it open while simultaneously pressing eject. The drive mechanism needs service, could maybe fix it with grease on gears or tightening belts.

Your HDD (Toshiba 8TB) is bigger than 2TB and mounts only the first 2TB (partition) in Tiger due to Tiger's 2TB limit on ATA drives. Leopard 10.5.8 was updated and mounts all partitions of your 8TB drive. This is kinda normal, I do it all the time, specially partitioning drives >2TB for combined use with Tiger SATA and Leopard SATA. There actually no such limit if you bridge the drive with a USB sled (or a FW sled too I think).

OS 9.2.2 freezes during boot? Another separate issue, obviously try reinstalling. Looks like you've overlapped the 9.2.2 System and Tiger, so it may be a little more work to find and flushout your OS 9 files.

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Good info.
Is that a 2.2TB drive limit or a 2.2TB partition limit in Tiger?
Nothing I would ever encounter (500GB is plenty for me in PPC land) but good data to know.

So this info is incorrect?

Mac OS X Maximum Drive Capacity

OS X 10.0-10.1.5, 2 TB maximum volume size
OS X 10.2-10.2.8, 8 TB
OS X 10.3-10.3.9, 16 TB
OS X 10.4 and later, around 8 exabytes (8 million terabytes!)

And

OS X 10.4 (Tiger) appears to recognize disk drives larger than 2.2TB and has GPT support for additional drives. However, it is reported to be unable to setup or boot a partition larger than 2.2TB.

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So you have two drives a 500GB IDE and a 5TB SATA? Or are they both SATA?
Not clear from your description.
On what kind of SATA card? Most SATA cards are not supported by OS 9.
You would want a separate IDE drive on one of the internal IDE busses for an OS9 boot drive.

Some things to consider.
First of all you do not want OS 9 (booted natively) to be able to see any partition bigger than about 160GB (some say 200GB).
It can ruin the partition. 160GB is the limit for an OS 9 partition. It cannot correctly address anything larger. Larger drives yes - but only if all partitions are 160GB or less.

Any partition larger than that should be partitioned WITHOUT OS9 drivers.
That way it is invisible to OS9.
So your 367GB Leopard partition should NOT have OS9 drivers installed.
But your 80GB MUST have OS9 drivers if you want to boot natively.

I assume you are running the large drive(s) with a PCI SATA card?
Are you sure they were initialized Apple Partition Map?
I'm not sure when the GUID option shows up, but Leopard had it as it was a dual PPC/Intel OS.
So if the drives were initialized GUID by Leopard - not Apple Partition Map - Tiger probably couldn't see them.

Otherwise my guess would be that Tiger does not have the correct drivers for the SATA card. You may be able to find them in System/Library/Extensions folder of a Leopard drive or online, but it may just be no SATA in Tiger unless you can find a Sonnet Tech SATA card.

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Are you sure the partition order is 2, 1.5, 1.5 ,3?
If it is 2, 3, 1.5, 1.5 Tiger is going to stop as soon as it hits the 3TB partition.

Why not 4 (or 5) equal partitions?

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If you DVD issue is just getting it to eject period - then the belt in the DVD is probably slipping or stretched and needs to be replaced.

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I have Sonnet SATA card connected all drives. TOSHIBA is 4TB drive. First partition is TOSHIBA is 2TB and 2nd Partition is TOSHIBA 2 is 1.5TB and Third Partition is TOSHIBA 3 is 1.5TB. The drive is only 4TB. No, I have one optical drive.
OWC Mercury is connected on Sonnet SATA Card. The Sonnet SATA card do work in mac os 9.2.2 and classic environment of mac os x 10.4.11. OWC Mercury is connected on Sonnet SATA Card. OWC Mercury is Partition in this way. 80GB OWC is mac os x 10.4.11 and mac os 9.2.2 and 367GB OWC Mercury is mac os x 10.5.8. I have only two drives on Sonnet SATA Card are connected on rear carrier. CD/DVD Combo drive is connected on front carrier is only drive connected on front carrier.

When I buy 450GB OWC Mercury and Sonnet SATA Card. I checked the Sonnet card if cards works in mac os 9.2.2 and classic environment of mac os x 10.4.11. This drive do work native mac os 9.2.2 and classic environment with card with out problem. Then I buy 4TB TOSHIBA. Then I had problem it. Here is what problem. I Tried different partition in mac os x 10.4.11. 4TB corrupted in mac os x 10.4.11 and crashed in mac os 9.2.2. It did tried in mac os x 10.5.8. Then I partition in smaller sizes. Then I unmounted the 4TB TOSHIBA in os x and booted in mac os 9.2.2. I partition drive in mac os 9.2.2 but drive only reads 2TB in mac os 9.2.2. Then drive did not mounted mac os x 10.4.11 but mounted mac os 9.2.2 and mac os x 10.5.8. Then I erase the 4TB TOSHIBA and repartition the drive in mac os x 10.5.8. This my current partition of all hard drives. OWC and OWC Mercury and TOSHIBA and TOSHIBA 2 and TOSHIBA 3. There are two drives on rear carrier. only CD-DVD comb on front Carrier.

TOSHIBA 2.0.0TB
TOSHIBA2 1.52TB
TOSHIBA3 1.03TB
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TOTAL 4.55TB

OWC Mercury 367.13GB
OWC 79.74GB
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Total 446.87GB after reformat the drive
It was 450GB before reformat.

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Sonnet card - GOOD.
Again:
Any partition larger than 160GB SHOULD NOT have OS9 drivers on it.
It should be invisible to OS9. Otherwise it will get corrupted.
Your Leopard partition on the 450 SHOULD NOT have OS9 drivers installed.
I personally would not try to use any drive bigger than 500GB with OS9 (even with three 160GB partitions). Most G4 towers were limited to 128GB drives by the firmware.
Your best solution for standalone OS9 is its own 80-120GB IDE drive on the original IDE bus.
If you need to boot another OS you can use the ALT key at boot.

Any drive bigger than 1TB should be partitioned Apple Partition Map (not GUID) using Leopard (not Tiger, certainly not OS9). Tiger cannot correctly partition any volume over 2.2TB. The partitions should be 2GB or less. It should not be visible to OS9 (OS9 not Classic). Classic is just an emulator running under Tiger. The rules that apply to booted OS9 do not apply to Classic.

So:
No partitions bigger than 160GB for OS9
No drives bigger than 1TB for OS9
No partitions bigger than 2TB period.
Don't try to use 2020 technology (ie 4TB drives) with 1990s software (PPC MacOS).

Check your messages.

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sfp1954, I sent you an email two days ago asking a question about shipping (although now that question seems to be more or less answered).

If that doesn't work for you, would you have an alternative method of communication at hand where we can all privately work out shipping, addressing, and machine detail?

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You sent me an email? To what address?
I didn't receive anything.

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I click on email on this forum to you because I did not have your email. I send you email because I need your email for paypal. I need for paypal for buying the mac pro. The paypal say this To send the money to friend. The paypal said I need user name or email or phone number. This way you will get full money.
Here is my email scottpraed1@gmail.com

I can't used Sfp1954 for the paypal. The paypal rejected.
I tried use cbone's gishpuppy. That did not work. I don't have account with gishpuppy. They don't do new signup. That only for existing members have accounts.
Then I send you email on this forum. I was asking for your email for paypal for mac pro.
Do want sell the mac pro to me or not ? I am being honest with you.

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Sorry. My email was set to an account that has been dead for a couple of years. Please try again.

Steve

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I used the "Email" button to the right of your post - in the blue area, which should be present on my posts too. I was not given any information but the From: area, which contained my user name and email address, and the To: area, which only showed "sfp1954".

I made sure that it was sent correctly by checking the "Send yourself a copy" option when sending, and afterward confirmed that I had received a reference copy in my inbox.

Have you linked your email address to your Macintosh Garden account? You can do this via the "my account" button on the top right of the website, adjacent to "add guide" and "logout". And adding it shouldn't even require any authentication from your email account.

Perhaps something in your linked address was misspelled?

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I'll check. It's probably still set to alto.sax@verizon.net. Verizon gave their email service to AOL which was a pain (and not very secure) so that address has been out of service for a couple of years.

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Sorry. My email was set to an account that has been dead for a couple of years. Please try again.

Steve

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You can get free email from google. click on https://www.google.com. Then click on sign in. Then create account. After you do this you have google email. I have google email. My mother say about me is I am honest and very accurately. She will say about me, You take anything I say and take to bank.

You can trust me sfp1954. I will paid you. My father is dead from heart attack. My mother is near death.
My brother has said he will do nothing for me. Why did this happen ? It is long sad story.

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I have plenty of email accounts. But the one in this membership was set to a now dead one.
Email should now be correct and active. TRY AGAIN!

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Check your inbox...

I didn't get a confirmation email to my account this time, but this one should have made it through...

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This fix the 4TB TOSHIBA is erase the drive or use classic and os x only. Remove the Radeon 9800 Mac edition card with 128MB. And put Radeon 9000 Pro with 128MB back in. Or Remove TOSHIBA Drive from computer.
All drives have os 9 drives. TOSHIBA is too big run in mac os 9.2.2. I have erase the drive and partition in smaller sizes and it will make lot partitions. This is too much trouble to do.
Before I got this 4TB SATA TOSHIBA drive. I have no problem booting native in mac os 9.2.2 with SDD IDE OWC Mercury in 2 partitions. This drive do boot native in mac os 9.2.2 with Sonnet SATA card. ATA100 OWC Mercury is SDD/IDE with adapter for 3.5 inch drive bay. I connected with Sonnet Card and connected in computer in ATA100 on rear carrier. power mac G4 1.25 mirror door 2003. Here is model name is power mac G4, model Identifier Powermac3,6. Processor name powerPC G4 (3.3), Processor speed 1.2.5 Ghz, number of CPU is 1, L2 Cache per Cpu 256k, L3 Cache per cpu 1MB, Memory is 2 GB, Bus speed is 167 Mhz, Boot Rom version is 4.4.8f2, Hardware UUID: 00000000-0000-1000-8000-000A95CE3976. The website said This hard drive will work with SATA cards My computer will take drive larger 128GB. I look at mactracker my computer is power mac G4 1.25 Ghz mirror door 2003 v3.3 for processor is 7455B. my computer has Firewire 400 and USB 1.1. It don't have firewire 800 port on my computer. Not all mirror door can boot native in mac os 9.2.2. Mirror door with firewire 800 can't boot native in mac os 9.2.2 and only boot in classic. Only mirror door with firewire 400 can boot native in mac os 9.2.2. I have a handicap disable with second cerebral pals. It makes hard for me put words and writing on paper or computer. My disable also affect my speak and coordination with balance on bike. I can walk around and run. I can use the computer for all upload on macintosh garden.

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Thank you steve on ebay. I going to buy from you.

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You can run all three operating systems (OS9 - Tiger - Leopard).
I am doing it on my 1.25GHz Mirror Door (same machine as yours).
But you CANNOT let OS9 see any partitions larger than 160GB.
It will try and mount them. EVENTUALLY they will get corrupted.
Those partitions must be initialized from Tiger with the OS9 Drivers box unchecked.

You cannot let Tiger see any partition larger than 2TB.

So only your 80GB partition should be visible to OS9. All your other partitions are too large for OS 9.
It doesn't have enough bits to correctly address a partition bigger than 160GB. Things will eventually get messed up.
When Sonnet created your SATA card drives bigger than 250GB DID NOT exist. So whatever it says about OS9 is no longer completely valid. It's 15 year old information.

Your 450GB should either be partitioned as three equal partitions all with OS9 drivers (using Tiger).
One for OS9, one for Tiger and one for Leopard.
Or it should be partitioned (using Tiger) - the smaller partition with the OS9 Drivers box checked and the larger partition with the OS9 box unchecked.
NOTHING should be partitioned or initialized using OS9 Drive Setup.

Your large drives should be partitioned using Leopard. With all partitions 2TB or smaller.
Otherwise they may get corrupted by Tiger when you are booted in Tiger.

I don't know about your graphics card situation.
I'm not sure it is relevant to the hard drive discussion.

If we go through with the Mac Pro sale I can send you some 500GB SATA drives.
They are more appropriate for the mirror door.

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What you recommend for me and you know my problem ? I think better to buy the smaller drives from you than used mac pro. I think I have saved my money to get new computer. I have 2 more slots left on computer. I have 2 ATA66 3.5"drive bay on front carrier. I have two video card I can run on computer. I have Apple Cinema HD 23" connected on mirror door. it has DVI port. I will need SATA cables for smaller drives too.
Radeon Pro 9000 Pro with 128M on EBay. or Radeon 9800 mac edition with 128MB on Ebay.
I tested this Radeon Pro 9800 works in classic. but it will boot in mac os 9.2.2 but can't change resolutions at highest setting at million colors. I can't play lot of games that run in 256 colors or thousands. Radeon pro 9000 Pro with 128MB is used card from EBay. But it will run all systems. First card is Radeon Pro 9000 with 64MB is card came with my computer. All cards are 4x AGP. None my partition is larger 2TB. Only TOSHIBA at first partition is 2TB. Other partitions are less 2TB. OWC is 80GB and OWC Mercury is 367GB and TOSHIBA at 1st partition is 2TB. TOSHIBA 2 at 2nd partition at 1.5TB. TOSHIBA 3 at third Partition at 1.03TB. I could connected smaller drive on ATA66 drive bay use it temporary to transfer data from TOSHIBA. After I get data off the TOSHIBA on the smaller drive. I remove the TOSHIBA then connected the smaller drive on ATA100. I think idea will work for me. What you think about this ?

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Check your messages in your account.
Or use the email function again. It now links to working address.

Mac OS 9 allows up to 21 partitions, so in theory you could use a 4 TB drive.
Partitioned using Tiger with OS 9 drivers enabled.
IF you wanted 21 drives on your desktop.

If your main goal is lots of storage for OS9 my suggestion would be two 500GB drives each partitioned into three equal ~160GB partitions. You can have them for free. Then you could add the 4TB to the Mac Pro.

I can also give you a 64MB PCI video card to try (Radeon 7000). It might require swapping your monitor cable for OS9 but that's easier than swapping video cards.