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Ambrosia Software policy?

Greetings,

Is there a staff consensus on Ambrosia products at this time? I know about the 10-year rule... buuut... it was apparently OK, for example, to upload Pillars of Garendall when further sales were deemed virtually impossible. AFAICT, all Ambrosia titles are now in that situation.

Also the website, with its huge archive of add-ons, patches, and documentation, could be parked at any time.

I would have just started updating wiki entries, but then noticed "purchase" links being mass-removed without changing body text to match. I thought someone might be in the middle of a project and didn't want to interfere.

Thanks for any guidance you can provide!

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I can't comment on that... But I always fret a lot of Ambrosia content, such as a massive amount of Escape Velocity (EV) plug-ins and whatnot, as well as software information found within the site, are under the risk of forever being lost, since not everything gets archived by archive.org's wayback machine.

At the very least, older versions of all their software should theoretically be OK to upload here, with a link to their respective official download pages for the latest versions, assuming the respective Ambrosia download links are not broken. To test it, I just tried downloading the Escape Velocity "trial" and... http://downloads.ambrosiasw.com/ev/essentials/Escape_Velocity.bin
Dead. Link totally dead. If memory serves right, this and other links have been broken like so for some years now.

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Their links have probably been replaced by new ones. For EV, I've got this one (works on the wayback machine as well):

https://www.ambrosiasw.com/dl/ev/mac

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Oh, right! Thanks for pointing that out.

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YW! Wink

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Minor update: I've accidentally learned that replacing "downloads" -> "downloads3" makes these links work.

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That's good to know! I'll pay their website a visit again soon, while we still can. Would hate to see some files getting lost forever, like what happened with Fantasoft and Realmz back in the day (with specific 3rd party scenarios gone forever, apparently), so I hope to at least double-check if we didn't overlook any file.

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Just talked to fogwraith and he's giving green lights to add the contents. Yes, there is immediate danger of the page going offline since Ambrosia seems to be on its last legs. I've mailed them myself asking about a potential registration of Escape Velocity. That was three weeks ago and haven't received any answer, so it may be any time now that they'll be gone.

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are you going to upload escape velocity now? I got a color classic and would love to download it now Smile

thank you!!

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The game is already here. Of course, it's only the installer (trial), not registered...

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"All the Ambrosia ever made here is still ageing out there on the loading docks!" -Lt.Starbuck

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A lot of the plugins are preserved. I downloaded everything for several of the games a few months back, and others have uploaded archives around the place -- eg this collection of EVC/EVO/EVNova plugins on the Internet Archive or its own website. So the situation's not as dire as it seems, but it'd be great to get everything available here too.

And I don't remember if I've mentioned this on Mac Garden, but I can confirm that Ambrosia is dead. Their money guy Bernard broke the news last year on his way out the door. He was the last one out.

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And I don't remember if I've mentioned this on Mac Garden, but I can confirm that Ambrosia is dead. Their money guy Bernard broke the news last year on his way out the door. He was the last one out.

Oh, snap. I wonder why no annoucement was made on their front page, then, or why their website is even still up (their certificate expired, though).

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Ah, I did not know that Bernard was officially done. Based on your book (which I love btw! Smile ), I got the impression Andrew remains completely disinterested but Bernard was still occasionally manning support as he's done since the 2013 downsizing.

I don't know their server situation... honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just an ancient machine shoved into the corner of Andrew's apartment at this point. But Jatoba's right, the certificate has expired and won't load on many browsers. Combined with their email system being offline and Bernard no longer there to send codes, it seems reasonable to declare Ambrosia dead. Sad

That being said, I agree that the situation's not dire. Almost all of their games have already been backed up on the Garden. There's been a complete plugin archive on Cythera Guides for some time (based on ASW's site), and their entire forum is backed up, although I need to organize it as a static archive or migrate to a modern format before moving to CG's server.

I don't think much is at risk of being lost anymore. It could be worth saving the AT digital library, but apart from a handful of docs or webpage elements, archive.org should handle most things.

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Wow. I'd seen Cythera Guides (VERY professionally done, and one of the few places anywhere to preserve fanfic, which is life-changing for many) but that archive is a whole new level of amazing. I'll test it later if my ancient browsers can still stomach Ambrosia's site. Thank you!

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Just realized I never followed up to say PRAISE JAYSUS for the attentiveness and solidarity of the Mac community. I hoped, but didn't expect, that saying "Ambrosia" would attract experienced users (these issues have dragged on for years and people seem burned out at times). Thanks to all for such quick updates, and with informative links too!

Ambrosia has become like George Lucas; people are ashamed to admit they were fans once. Not me.

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Ambrosia website is still up. You right about the browsers.
I tested the website on Safari 5.06 and Roccat 8.5 it will not connected.
I tested the website on Tenfourfox and SeaMonkey and Aurora. They all works on these browsers.
The website has not been updated. When I look at website on bottom screen and last update in 2017.
Good website on Ev plugs.