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Adobe CS3

Is anybody interested in having CS3 uploaded here? I have a copy on disc. It's not as compatible as CS4 and not as fast as CS2, it's historically significant though being the first universal CS. I just noticed it was an 07 release so I think it's clear to upload to MG now.

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Lets see what the others think, but for me CS3 is good for uploading.
Which version do you have? Master Collection?

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I do not consider CS3 as abandonware since it runs on Intel Macs. If there is a version that runs on PPC only this PERHAPS could be considered abandonware.

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The only criteria is that Mac software is no longer supported (CS3 isn't) and it is 10 years old or older. The final CS3 release was version 3.3, released in 2008. If davisdelo's copy is an earlier 2007 release then that should be OK to upload now, but if he can hold off from adding it to the archives until the new year, then there should be no reason for it not to be included here.

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My box says this copy is from 2007. It's the Design Standard package. It includes InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat 8 Pro, a Content disc, and the Adobe Video Workshop training. I also have another boxed copy of just Photoshop CS3 from when I needed an additional license, it's from 2008 though. I'll probably wait till after the 1st of the year to upload so there aren't any objections about it's "10 year" status. I'm sure there's not anyone that's in a hurry to get CS3. CS4 is more compatible with modern production and CS2 is way faster, I just noticed it was not currently available on MG.

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One problem could be that the Adobe CS3 activation servers no longer work. People with a legal serial number can apparently get a new installer and serial number from Adobe which bypasses the now-non-existent activation servers. (I haven't tired going through the actual process to see if it is still available.)

If the software to be uploaded here are the original installers, then it may not actually be usable anyway since the serial number won't be able to be verified, so it possibly just a waste of time and server space. You could upload the bypass installers if anyone has them, BUT being a newer "version" (albeit only slightly tweaked by Adobe themselves) and still potentially available, that would likely be against Macintosh Garden's rules.

Same goes for Adobe CS4, etc.

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Thanks for that link. I used my serials and got the replacements that do not require activation.

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The fact that Adobe still provides for a serial number (see WhosIt.There's link above) means that CS 3 is not abandonware! I do not know who invented the ten year period; it is completetly arbitrary. As Steve Jobs said: Think!

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As Steve Jobs said: Think!

"Think Different". Wink

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Indeed, it was Watson (from IBM) the one who coined the "Think" philosophy. Smile

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Yes 10 years is arbitrary, but that's a MG policy and I plan to adhere to it.

Since there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about what is and what isn't abandonware I guess we should look up the definition. Perhaps it could help us all in the future so that we know what is and isn't appropriate to upload to MG and other archival sites.

Here it is: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abandonware

Now we know what abandonware is, it's something that's no longer sold or supported by the creator. That seems simple enough. It's good to know there's no time, access or availability conditions within that definition. The next logical step is to see if CS3 meets the qualities defined within the definition of abandonware.

We all know for a fact that Adobe does not sell Creative Suite 3 any longer, so the first definitive quality of abandonware has been met. Now all we need to do is look up the definition of support so we can see if CS3 meets the second definitive quality of abandonware.

Here it is: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/support

To summarize the multiple definitions on that page using the provided synonyms, it means to bear, advocate, assist, help, corroborate, maintain, and/or comfort. Now, lets see if Adobe's actions on the link provided earlier do indeed provide support as we now know the definition to be.

The first action on the page from Adobe is to solicit the sale of Creative Cloud. I don't see "solicitation" in the definition of support.

The second action on the page from Adobe is to receive a new serial number and installer. Adobe themselves define this action of receiving a new serial number and installer on the title of the page, they define it as a "replacement". I don't see "replacement" in the definition of support.

IANAL, and I'm sure further arguments could be made if one was to pick apart the language into something resembling shredded wheat. And if that argument was successful, I think it could be applied to just about any piece of software on this site and many others.

From my plain English reading of a readily available and accepted definition I believe that CS3 is indeed abandonware. By meeting that definition and by following the further restrictions expressed by the MG site's guidelines, I feel there is no logical argument against uploading CS3 to MG in 2018.

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I would be interested in it, for one. It is something I would consider significant.

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I would be more interested to see Adobe Director for Intel Macs, since Adobe has made it very clear in forums and the official website that Director 11/11.5/12 are no longer supported; https://www.adobe.com/products/director.html

CS3 is still available for download and supported through forums and phone tech support, even if they aren't getting any further updates beyond what was necessary for Leopard support.

I do fall on the side of CS3 not being abandonware as it's still available for download behind a serial number authentication wall, but I suspect Adobe will send a DMCA to clarify their stance on the matter. As they have in the past.

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...having said that, it seems that there's a bit of trouble with attempting to register the serial for Adobe's downloadable, activation-free replacement for InDesign CS3 on the Mac. Hmm. That might work on Windows instead.

Went through the support channels, but they're not interested in helping unless you're the person who registered that particular copy of CS3 through Adobe.com.

Maybe I've overestimated the level of support that Adobe's willing to give users of CS3? Smile Not entirely surprising, that.

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CS3 is no longer supported by Adobe. Even support for CS5 ended late last year (2017).

It's now as OK as any other commercially abandoned software to be hosted here.

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Ok, so I wanted an official document on this because I've been burned on hearsay.

Adobe's "Supported Product Versions" document claims Creative Suite support ended in 2014, unless you have a long term "gold support" contract with the company, which only covers CS5, CS5.5 and CS6. https://helpx.adobe.com/support/programs/adobe-support-policies-supporte...

Adobe's "Discontinued Software" page focuses on product lines going as far back as Adobe Dimensions, but doesn't cover Creative Suite barring some apps like Soundbooth because, of course, they have Creative Cloud counterparts. https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/discontinued-products...

Not sure where you found that support for CS5 ended in 2017, but if Adobe's knowledge base is correct, the support ended even longer ago.

I suppose that leaves this activation replacement strategy as a means of maintaining goodwill with customers who would otherwise be left with coasters. I can't find a support mechanism that states it's part of an official support strategy by Adobe.

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I was thinking that support had ended for CS3 even earlier (11/3/2011) - I was going by the cutoff for Acrobat v.8x mentioned in the top support link you provided above, as it was the version included in with CS3. - I'm happy with 2014 if that's the official EOL for this Suite.

I had (also on that support page) misread 2017 as a cutoff for CS5 support by the "**" comment down in that page: "Assisted support is available until May 31, 2017, for issues related to accessing the product, including downloading, deploying, and installing"... But in my excitement when reading that, I failed to notice this was related to CS6 not CS5. Also that for CS6: "Assisted support for product troubleshooting and how-to questions is available only with active Gold Support contracts". And: "Active Gold Support contracts for CS5 and CS5.5 that were purchased prior to January 31, 2014, remain valid."

So I would think there is some support still active for some CS5 customers...

But I'm fairly confident that support for CS3 is non existent and as the final updates for this suite were made in 2008 plus auto-updates no longer work for it, Adobe has ceased all actual CS3 support. And as you say, all that remains is "a means of maintaining goodwill with customers who would otherwise be left with coasters."