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Absolute min. list of fonts for System font folder?

Hello World,

I need to restructure my whole font setup, because of the limit in max. open files under MacIS 8.1
So my idea is to only have the absolut min. of font files listed in the System font folder, then use ATM Deluxe to switch between (yet to be set up) font sets of mine.
As lower the list of font files that are akways open, as larger I can make my individual sets.
But I don't have my original font folder no more, so how do I know which fonts are safe to be "outsourced" to ATM Deluxe?

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4 fonts are absolutely necessary:
Chicago
Charcoal
Monaco
Geneva

There are probably others that you will need. I just don't recall which ones.

Gary

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Please try to remember Wink

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I wrote an OS 9 App that I called "Font-a-doodle-do" a couple of years ago. It does display, convert and repair of True Type Fonts.

During my development work I experimented with System Fonts by removing all of them just to see what would happen.

Removing ALL of them produced a non-bootable system. Adding Charcoal let me boot with errors. But the errors were non-fatal. But they were certainly annoying. For example, Geneva is the font used by Finder to display file names. So imagine a system that only displayed icons but blank names and you get the idea what happens when a font is missing.

I didn't experiment with any OS version other than 9.2.2. But YOU can. Take the 4 fonts I listed and boot up. See what breaks. It shouldn't be much.

Gary

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Thx for the tips Gary, but I need that system for work (not for money making, but a private project).
Can't risk making it unusable or spend days with a "trial & error" approach.

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Insert an original install CD and see what's in its System Folder. That will probably contain pretty much the bare minimum of fonts needed.

There are some applications that have their own necessary fonts as well. Some, like Microsoft Office or Adobe applications will add them to the System Folder during the install process. Others keep their fonts separate (or even within their resource fork) and only temporary-install them when needed.

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I just did a custom install of 8.1 for 68k Mac (sans internet installers) - here's the fonts its installed:

Mac OS 8.1 Fonts (base install set)
The above pic shows the base set required and installed by Mac OS 8.1

Mac OS 8.1 Fonts (standard install set)

Earlier on, I had made a standard install of 8.1, which installed additional fonts used by Internet Explorer (Arial, Comic Sans, Verdana, Windings, etc).

So, the top pic is the base minimum.

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Thx, thx, thx - that is just what Dr. Mac ordered Smile

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Ooops, now I am getting the error message:
"Substitution fonts missing for Acrobat or ATM Deluxe" at startup.
Any idea what those fonts might be?

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Just reinstalled Acrobat Reader and now I am ready to go.
Will start setting up Font Sets via ATM Deluxe:
System
Serif
Non-Serif
Antique
....

Then I can switch easily between them, based on current needs.