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Mac OS 7 Floppy Install Sets (aka System 7)

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#1
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7_0.smi_.sit (3.72 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#2
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_0_IntlEnglish.sit (3.39 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#3
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7plus_800K.sit (4.62 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#4
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7_0_1.smi_.sit (4.34 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#5
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_0_1_IntlEnglish.sit (8.36 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#6
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7.0.1_Italian.sit (4.48 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#7
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7.1_800k_version.sit (3.74 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#8
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_7_1.sit (5.75 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#9
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
SSW-71-LCIII.sit (5.26 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#10
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
SSW71-PB180c.sit (5.91 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#11
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_5_0.sit (12.09 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#12
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_5_2.sit (30.42 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#13
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_5_3.sit (86.12 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#14
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
7_5_5.sit (5.91 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
#15
[www].se [ftp].se [mirror].us
System_75-IT.sit (10.01 MB)
For System 7.0 - 7.6
Emulation
This app works with: SheepShaver, Basilisk II,

Some of these floppy disk System Install disk sets are still available on the Apple Older Software Page but they are very hard to access/download without a modern OS and Browser.

  1. System 7.0 as 800K Floppies - "System_7_0.smi_.sit" (3.72 MB)
  2. System 7.0 as 1.4MB Floppies Int. English - "7_0_IntlEnglish.sit" (3.39 MB)
  3. System 7.0 plus CD-ROM installer and System 7 Tuneup 800K Floppies - "System_7plus_800K.sit" (4.62 MB)
  4. System 7.0.1 as 1.4MB Floppies - "System_7_0_1.smi_.sit" (4.34 MB)
  5. System 7.0.1 as 1.4MB Floppies International English - "7_0_1_IntlEnglish.sit" (8.36 MB)
  6. System 7.0.1 as 1.4MB Floppies Italian Language - "System 7.0.1 Italian.sit" (4.48 MB)
  7. System 7.1 as 800K Floppies - "System_7.1_800k_version.sit" (3.74 MB)
  8. System 7.1 as 1.4MB Floppies - "System_7_1.sit" (5.75 MB)
  9. System 7.1 as 1.4MB Floppies for Macintosh model LCIII - "SSW-71-LCIII.sit" (5.26 MB)
  10. System 7.1 as 1.4MB Floppies for Macintosh PowerBook 180c - "SSW71-PB180c.sit" (5.91 MB)
  11. System 7.5 as 1.4MB Floppies - "7_5_0.sit" (12.09 MB)
  12. System 7.5.2 as 1.4MB Floppies and single file Net Install - "7_5_2.sit" (30.42 MB)
  13. System 7.5.3 as 1.4MB Floppies and single file Net Install - "7_5_3.sit" (86.12 MB)
  14. System 7.5.5 as 1.4MB Floppies and single file Net Install - Requires 7.5.3 - "7_5_5.sit" (5.91 MB)
  15. System 7.5 Italian (8 x 1.4MB Floppies, Disk Tools included) - "System_75-IT.sit"
Compatibility
Architecture: 68k PPC

Disk images on this page from SSW 7.0 to 7.1 are for 68k Macintosh only. Those from SSW 7.5 onwards are for either 68k or PPC, for the type of Macintosh model that will support those OS's. If the 7.1.2 floppy disk install sets get uploaded to this page, they can also be for PPC (and 68k) Macintosh.

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Troyd's picture
by Troyd - 2019, January 2 - 12:14am

Create a copy of the Disk Tools Boot Disk and remove non-critical components - both utilities and extensions from the System Folder to create extra space.

Alternatively, just eject the Boot Disk once the Desktop is up and mount another floppy with the disk utility app you are using on it. Running the app should start a swapping frenzy between the Boot Disk and the app disk until the app is loaded. It should then run from RAM. I had to do this with a Mac SE until I managed to cram Lido and Sys 6 on one 800k floppy.

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by stopactionsam - 2019, January 1 - 11:25pm

I tried all of these, but none of them would fit on the Disk Tools Boot Disk along with the system folder! Oh well. Thanks for the help, everyone!

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by IIGS_User - 2018, December 31 - 2:42pm

According to MacTracker, the internal hard disk connection is SCSI, so I second sfp1954's suggestion about SCSI2SD. That's a device I own as well. Converts the SCSI connection to a Micro-SD card.

Using this device needs a modern computer (Mac/Windows) to use its driver software first, which manipulates a SD card to be used in the SCSI2SD device.

On the Mac, internal SCSI hard disk drives are set to SCSI #0.

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by Troyd - 2018, December 31 - 11:28am

If none of those suggested by sfp1954 works, then my tip would be Lido 7.5.6. I have had the best results using that of all on my vintage Macs.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/lido-756

If you can boot from System 6, then a barebones System Folder and the app can be squeezed onto a single 800k floppy.

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by sfp1954 - 2018, December 31 - 5:24am

Are you sure it is a SCSI drive and not one that says AT (IDE) on it?
You may have to go with SCSI2SD if you really want to get it running.

https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5-2.5-inch.htm

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by stopactionsam - 2018, December 31 - 1:42am

The 258MB IBM hard drive I installed on the PowerBook isn't recognized by the setup utility. Does it not like it because it isn't an Apple HDD? Is there a patch for the Apple HD SC Setup utility?

EDIT: I found the page on Macintosh Garden of the patched HD SC Setup utility, tried all four downloads, none recognized the drive. Just thinking it is the wrong drive for my system now.

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by stopactionsam - 2018, December 20 - 8:38pm

Wow! Thanks for reply, MikeTomTom! I'll post my results from using the "SSW71-PB180c.sit" install!

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by MikeTomTom - 2018, December 18 - 8:02pm

Hope I can use these images on my PowerBook 165c

The 10th download in the list, "SSW71-PB180c.sit" (5.91 MB) would be suitable as an original Mac OS install set for your PB 165c - This install set should probably be labelled "for PB 160/165/165c/180/180c" as it will be suitable for either of those PowerBook models.

The downloads from the top 1 down to 9th in the list are not suitable for the PB 165c, they require different Macs to boot up to and install to.

Any of the Mac OS install sets from 10th down to 14th in the list, are suitable as install sets for your PB. Number 15 in the list would also work, but unless you want an Italian Mac OS, don't use that one.

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by stopactionsam - 2018, December 18 - 7:12am
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Hope I can use these images on my PowerBook 165c with a 256mb IBM SCSI HDD I found for a great deal. It didn't come with it's original HDD.

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by os9er - 2017, August 18 - 4:04am

Based on that, I wonder if that section of the title of this page should be changed to something like "(aka SSW 7)"...

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by Nicolas Bahamondes - 2016, November 15 - 12:56pm

WATCH OUT!
Macintosh Garden has several problems with a sorta-place that is called "System 7". They had several legal issues with them. People here understand the reason why Mac OS 7 is used instead.

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by themaritimeman - 2015, July 4 - 6:58am

Thank you for the explanation. Clearly there was some madness to my method, then. Odd though that the SMI on here wouldn't work, but the other one I downloaded worked fine. I guess this would be because the latter set was in the Windows-safe MacBinary format?

Anyway, through experimentation with transferring additional software to this machine, I have indeed found that downloading the software to a Windows machine is a poor way of going about it. So now I use my aluminum PowerBook to move the software into floppy images, which I then write with my PC. Works perfect.

Thanks again. I am admittedly very green with working with Macs of this age.

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by MikeTomTom - 2015, July 2 - 1:27am

  I would therefore argue that the images are corrupt in some way. But if that were the case I would have thought someone else would have discovered it by now...

The disk images for the SSW 7.5.3 install floppies are all OK. Using Disk Copy 6.3 which does a checksum test as it mounts the disks, they all match their respective checksums and mount fine.

I attempted to recreate what you've done - write the images to floppy media on a Windows box and install to an LCIII Macintosh.

This install set is very particular about the state of the floppy media and if there the smallest discrepancy it will fail to install, with an "insert Disk 1" message. If the disk error is not severe, Disk 1 will allow you to Quit gracefully (or go back to the disk it threw up on). If its particularly bad it will just hang at that point with not even a message allowing you to shut down or reboot.

If it just hangs you should boot up with Disk Tools and check the destination disk drive for errors and remove any files it may have left behind, as its borked and probably left garbage behind. You should also replace the floppy disk it failed on with another & start over.

In the end I wrote the images to floppy media on Basilisk II, build 142 (on Windows) running as an LCIII (build 142 can emulate several Mac models including an LCIII), using Disk Copy 4.2 to write the images back to floppy.

Because my source of floppy media was poor, I had some install failures and needed to replace those disks until I could build up 16 good disks for a complete install. Which I eventually succeeded in doing.

Anyway, it does install OK, but only if all of the floppy media is 100% good.

The alternative 7.5.3 self mounting image with the 19 part files is a lot easier to use than this floppy set...

[Edit]

  I managed to get 7.5.3 installed using the 19-part self-mounting image. Not the one from this site, though, because it turns out that one is messed up, too.

Its also not "messed up". Its that you extracted it fully on Windows (unwittingly stripping out its resource fork data) before moving the files to your LCIII which would have been the problem. The 7.5.3 part file install set that's included in the 7.5.3 DL is 100% OK when extracted correctly (preferably on the Mac you want to install it onto).

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by sfp1954 - 2015, July 2 - 1:26am

In general Classic Mac does not use extensions to decide what software to use to open a file. That's one of the main differences between MS-DOS/Windows and Mac OS 6-9.
It uses the resource fork and the creator code and file type within the resource fork. If the creator code is present it tries to open the Application denoted by the creator code. Otherwise you can try to drag and drop the file on an Application. If the file type for your file matches a file type usable by the application your file will light up and you can drop it on the App. If the resource fork is missing because you decompressed the archive on a PC or under OSX then you usually have to open up the correct application first and use "open file" in the drop down menu to open the file.

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by themaritimeman - 2015, July 2 - 1:01am

I managed to get 7.5.3 installed using the 19-part self-mounting image. Not the one from this site, though, because it turns out that one is messed up, too. None of the files have the .bin extension, so the Mac doesn't know what to do with them. Maybe you just need to add the extension to the file name for them to work, but I decided to just find another copy on a different web site, instead.

The 7.5.5 update disk images on here are good, though.

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by themaritimeman - 2015, July 1 - 7:51pm

I wrote the images to different floppies each time, and all of them are known good. The installation fails the same way, reading from Install Disk 7, and then asking for Install Disk 1, and not accepting it or any other disk.

I write the images using a Windows XP machine and WinImage. I've successfully installed System 7.1 and System 7.5 on the LC III the same way, so I assume there's nothing wrong with my method. It's also worth noting that while WinImage writes the images without issue, RawWrite fails at 99% completion, saying that "the parameter is incorrect". It fails that way with every image. I would therefore argue that the images are corrupt in some way. But if that were the case I would have thought someone else would have discovered it by now...

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by sfp1954 - 2015, June 30 - 7:42pm

On the Cape until the 4th. I'll look into it when I get home.
I usually just use the net install, either from an internal or external drive.
In the meantime I would try remaking that floppy or try using a different blank.
If you have Norton running somewhere you might try scanning the floppy for bad blocks.

themaritimeman's picture
by themaritimeman - 2015, June 30 - 7:04am

Has anyone tried the 7.5.3 disk images? Twice I attempted to install it on my LC III, and when it got to the point where it would ask for Install Disk 8, it instead asked for Install Disk 1. And whether I inserted Install Disk 1 or any other disk, it wouldn't accept it.

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by MikeTomTom - 2014, July 13 - 2:53am

@macjames: you need to be careful when using parenthesis at the garden - you can use square bracket[s] safely, or ...use raw html coding(s) Smile

Short story, the process involved mini vMac, diskcopy 4.2 [...] i can open a topic instead

I also went down the same path with the 800k 7.1 zip archive ... my usual Mac emulator is B-II & SheepShaver, neither can run Disk Copy 4.2 (unless a floppy disk drive is available), so stumbling on Disk Copy 4.2 being able to run on Mini vMac without a physical floppy drive was for me, a revelation.

Opening a "how to" topic sounds like a good idea to me. A general "Hidden Tips & Techniques" topic page that others can contribute to would also be good.

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by MikeTomTom - 2014, July 13 - 12:45am

@Daxeria: At this point in time I would have to say that only some ".dsk" images can be mounted, or written back to floppy, with DiskDup+ - if you are lucky enough (to have an archivist that knows what he/she is doing before uploading).

A good example of some of these not being able to be used on a classic Mac OS other than by dropping the images into a running Mini vMac session's window, are the SSW 7.1 800k (zipped) images on this page (2nd DL from top).

I think that these images have been labeled manually as ".dsk" and that DiskDup+ was not used in their creation. Changing their Creator & File Types to "DDp+" and "DDim" doesn't help either.

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by macjames - 2014, July 13 - 12:26am

Well believe me i tried diskdup with those images and they were unrecognized. Spent allmost all night trying anything i could, it was just impossible. I wouldn't assume that every ".dsk" image can be handled by diskdup.

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by Daxeria - 2014, July 12 - 11:38pm

".dsk" images can be mounted, or written back to floppy, with DiskDup+ - even on a Mac Plus with System 6. (Although you'll need DiskDup+ v2.7 for System 6; v2.9.2 is too new.)

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by macjames - 2014, July 12 - 11:24pm

I totally agree.. good useful images are better. By the way, i didn't notice the ( s ) in my previous comment was converted to a smiley, it was not on purpose.

edit - i just added the 800K floppy set for SSW 7.1 in DiskCopy 4.2 format. This was an effort for those people with mac pluses or SE's who are stuck with 800k drives and unable to install newer OS's than 6.0.x or 7.0.x. These were made from the floppy set here available at the garden in the less functional .dsk format. I must say it was quite an interesting excercise, mainly because i wanted to preserve all the dates and info on those images, and because those .dsk images are just unmountable with anything. Short story, the process involved mini vMac, diskcopy 4.2 and diskcopy 6, an iBook G3, a PowerBook 190c and a Macintosh SE to test the floppies. If interested, instead of describing the whole process here i can open a topic instead.

Enjoy!

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by MikeTomTom - 2014, July 12 - 12:31pm

@macjames: I'm not so sure if "S*stem 7" is a concern any more. See Balrogs (2) comments in this thread made earlier in the year.

About the floppy sets on this page; At least these are actual intact floppy disk images which are writable back to floppy media, or mountable with Disk Copy 6, etc.

Many of the SSW 7.x floppy disk sets elsewhere here at the Garden are zipped (without resource forks intact). Its very difficult to determine what created them and none of those are writable back to floppy media or mountable with Disk Copy. At best they may mount in a Mini vMac window only, by dragging them into a running Mini vMac session directly from a host OS.

So having more useful install images is always preferable. A clean out of the less useful system floppy image collections could be in order.

However, the title of this page should be changed to "Mac OS 7 Floppy Sets" or similar. Only to keep this page with the rest of the Macintosh System Software here, together under "M" (this is the only page of Mac SSW here, currently located under "S").

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by macjames - 2014, July 12 - 6:53am

I worry about the explicit use of S*stem 7, and i think these floppy sets are available in the Mac OS 7 section(s)